[openbox] menu.xml - I thought It Only Had One Format/Standard?

Tue Aug 13 20:43:34 EDT 2013

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Das <dasfox at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Dana,
>
> Here's some of the confusion I saw, look at that new menu_test.xml I
> attached.
>

Missed the attachment.

> The entire <menu id="root-menu" label="Openbox 3"> section is gone...
>

If there's no root-menu, then you can't pop up a root-menu with a ShowMenu
action. Whatever menus you define, you can pop up. The menu language is not
overly constrained so that people can write nice things like pipe menus
that generate menus.

>
> This is like one thing I'm getting at and then the original uses these
> tags;
>
> <command></command>
>
> And this new one is using instead;
>
> <execute></execute>
>

http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#Execute says "<execute> is a
deprecated name for <command>", and the menu.xml included in openbox uses
<command> everywhere, no?

>
> I don't know I guess it might just be me, but seeing an entire section
> removed then the syntax different I think is confusing to have in a Window
> Manager, maybe I just haven't gotten use to it is all...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Dana Jansens <dana at orodu.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Das <dasfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dana,
>>>
>>> Sorry if I've created some confusion, its not about learning XML, I was
>>> just thinkng of this from the stand point I guess as a new user coming into
>>> this....
>>>
>>> So maybe I'm just thinking about this all wrong and when anyone sees a
>>> .xml file they just need to know and learn that anything goes as long as
>>> it's validated XML, then make whatever you feel like...
>>>
>>
>> It's not really make whatever you feel like. The format just allows you
>> to define a <menu> inline or somewhere else, and you can refer to the menu
>> to insert it into other menus as many times as you please. If the docs are
>> not clear I'd love improvements there.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>  I guess I was looking at it like HTML, like how many ways can you
>>> really make a hyper link or hotlink, seems like in some code you can only
>>> do things one or two ways, so I guess I was thinking the same for the
>>> menu.xml like that was really the only way in which to create this type of
>>> thing/syntax....
>>>
>>> Thanks...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Dana Jansens <dana at orodu.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Das <dasfox at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great thanks, now we're getting somewhere! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok again, this is what I meant by a standard, I'm attaching a file
>>>>> menu_test.xml so as to not confuse the name with another menu.xml...
>>>>>
>>>>> Since this is XML I guess now that I've had some time to consider it,
>>>>> as long as you make the XML syntax correct anything will work, so I'm no
>>>>> XML pro, how many ways then does that leave use to be able to create a menu?
>>>>>
>>>>> This was all I meant by making the menu a standard so it's only
>>>>> written one way, so as to not confuse end-users across different distros,
>>>>> or menu making applications, etc., when they come across many various
>>>>> formats as I've now seen and then people are scratching their heads
>>>>> wondering what's going on, because I'm not familiar with any desktops or
>>>>> other Window Managers that allow for a menu to be coded in many different
>>>>> syntax ways...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you don't want to learn how to write XML I'd recommend
>>>> http://obmenu.sourceforge.net/. There's no need to learn this stuff
>>>> for making menus.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Xyne <xyne at archlinux.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Das wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >I think you need to LOOK HARDER at the menu.xml in the source
>>>>>> >...
>>>>>> >so pelase don't patronize people
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no comment
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ><menu id="apps-accessories-menu" label="Accessories">
>>>>>> ><separator/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have placed the separator in the definition of the accessories
>>>>>> menu, so it
>>>>>> appears in the accessories menu. According to your previous posts,
>>>>>> you want the
>>>>>> separator to appear after the accessories menu, *in the root menu*,
>>>>>> so you
>>>>>> should place it there:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <menu id="root-menu" label="Openbox 3">
>>>>>>   <separator label="Applications" />
>>>>>>   <menu id="apps-accessories-menu"/>
>>>>>>   <separator/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have attached an updated version of your file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Xyne
>>>>>>
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