[cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
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Tue Oct 20 17:43:44 EDT 2009
Then cryengine that is even better :D
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To: "Call of Duty server admin list." <cod at icculus.org>
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Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
It should be a good idea, but does the source SDK allow you to rewrite
half of the game engine to match the cod gameplay (lean, aim, to say
things I did not find in HL2 -- I have never tried the other
source-based), rewrite the physics (always based on HL2 : the guy is
really sliding !) ? All that is map or texture-related is not a problem,
but the game mechanics are far more difficult to code, and so to replace
from the original.
And even with the best community coders of the world, you won't kick out
the remaining bugs that crawls into CoD4 and so far in WaW, because in
the end, the parts you can rewrite with the modtools are in fact limited...
All that you want from a game sequel is not only what you can code with
modtools, it's also hardcoded enhancements (guided RPG is an example).
On MW2, there's no enhancement in regards to PC port (because it's
become just a port) : just things to make the cash go into Activision's
boss' pocket.
All this disaster make me say one thing : there's no perfect alternative
to that shit, even murder this bas...d won't make them change a single
bit of the game (it's too late, game is already finished)
Hard words, I know, but anger is what is dominating me each time I try
to think about it. And it's also coming from the laziness of the
developers that say "we can't test all the possibilities to make a
patch", what others have made for years and it was working... So I'd
better stop thinking about it, just blacklist all Activision games in
the future, maybe write "fuck" on each activision game box I found at
the retail store :D
Seth Sauls a écrit :
> I say that a group of community modders and mappers gets together and
> starts a "source" mod. Call it MW2:Source or something like that.
> Make it badass and build it off the source engine. Make the maps exactly
> like in MW2, models and all. Then for a map pack make the stock cod4
> maps/models and so on.
> What do you all say....
> Wizz
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman <iam8up at gmail.com
> <mailto:iam8up at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Did anyone think that maybe they're trying to take away Halo 3
> players?
>
> On 10/20/09, Lars Vik <lars at 3056.net <mailto:lars at 3056.net>> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have both xbox 360 and PS3, but use the consoles mainly for
> ...well...
> > console games. Like racing games, Rockband etc. But is it really
> > possible to play FPS on console? I have tried misc FPS demos and
> so on,
> > but I find it hopeless. Clearly, if the majority of CoD players
> are on
> > console, i must have missed something? I.e. can you get
> keyboard/mouse
> > to xbox 360? They aren't seriously using the hand
> controller/joystick?
> >
> > I am also a bit surprised IW are selling more of a FPS game to
> console
> > than to PC. I can't help but thing that I am getting old or
> something
> > like that. That I am out of the loop so to speak.
> >
> > Hmmm....
> >
> > John Kennington wrote:
> >> There was a group of modders that tried that and succeeded,
> somewhat.
> >> Red Oktober is a mod and is a decent game, however it is far to
> >> realistic for the casual player.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM, escapedturkey
> >> <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Tough to say. I think the mod community, if combining
> forces, can
> >> make any game engine or mod run better, faster, and more fun.
> >> Faith in the community. For open-source, my vote goes to:
> >> http://xreal-project.net <http://xreal-project.net/> --
> based on IOQuake3.
> >>
> >> However, even IOQuake3 will do:
> >>
> >> http://ioquake3.org <http://ioquake3.org/>
> >>
> >> Enuff of my rambling ...
> >>
> >> Martin H wrote:
> >>
> >> Problem with the source engine is its not so good at
> making a
> >> game like CoD, of all the mods i've played to date the only
> >> one that had potential imo was Insurgency. Which
> although fun,
> >> didnt come close to the gameplay of CoD
> >>
> >> I just dont think the source engine is cut out for a
> game like
> >> cod. come to think of it though, i cant think of
> anything that
> >> is...
> >>
> >> One of the gripes i have with the system they intend on
> using
> >> is, if the matchmaking system always puts you against
> people
> >> at your skill level, how is a player meant to progress?
> i've
> >> always found the best way to improve is to be subjected to
> >> repeated raping. If IWNet dumps you with players on your
> >> level, you just wont improve.
> >>
> >> It says its done on "skill level". How is a skill level
> >> determined? Average KD ratio? if thats the case,
> players will
> >> be flying up and down the skill rankings every time
> they have
> >> a bad/good day. If a player is doing particularly well on a
> >> certain day, their KD ratio would increase. But the
> next day,
> >> if they're back to 'normal' levels, they'll be way out of
> >> their depth. Or vice versa. quite easy to have a bad
> day, and
> >> then find yourself on a server with people way below your
> >> actual skill rating.
> >>
> >> "The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that
> >> you don’t have to worry about joining a server full of
> >> aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on the server
> >> admin of the server to constantly be monitoring,
> banning, and
> >> policing it."
> >>
> >> Yeah, thats great until theres an admin that isnt 100%
> clued
> >> up on banning people, and theres a guy on the server who's
> >> name is changing every two seconds. Its going to be no
> >> different than a CoD4 server in reality.
> >>
> >> Surely the better way to get rid of cheating would be
> to seal
> >> up all the holes that allow these hacks to be created
> in the
> >> first place?
> >>
> >> 2009/10/20 Joker{eXtreme+} <joker at mycallofduty.com
> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>
> >> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com
> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com
> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>
> >> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com
> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Another post by Bowling
> >> http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745
> >>
> >> ~Joker
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "escapedturkey"
> >> <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>
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> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> To: "Call of Duty server admin list."
> <cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>>
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:06 AM
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern
> Warfare 2 on
> >> the PC
> >>
> >>
> >> Best thing to do is start with the mod makers in
> that first
> >> interview.
> >> Have them get together with a single purpose "make
> or mod an
> >> alternative".
> >>
> >> Valve offers great support:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Building_Mods_with_Valve_Technology
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Bong-Master wrote:
> >>
> >> broken record Lmfto no just a long record lol
> any how,
> >> how &
> >> were do you
> >> start ?
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "escapedturkey"
> <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>
> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>>>
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:55 PM
> >> To: "Call of Duty server admin list."
> <cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern
> Warfare 2
> >> on the PC
> >>
> >> Exactly. I don't see why this can't be done
> via the
> >> Source
> >> engine or
> >> other means. All the weapons, game play, and
> such
> >> can be
> >> replicated.
> >>
> >> Valve shows a lot of support, has VAC,
> dedicated Linux
> >> binares, etc.
> >>
> >> Anyhow, I am sounding like a broken record. :)
> >>
> >> Hannu Kumpeli wrote:
> >>
> >> Lets put the money together from the
> 100,000+
> >> signatures
> >> and let some
> >> company make us the game we want with DEDI
> >> SUPPORT :D
> >>
> >> Let's go open-source or Source
> engine! :)
> >>
> >> As I listened to the interview most
> of the
> >> people
> >> talking were
> >> modders. Can't they all come
> together and do a
> >> Source mod or open
> >> source project?
> >>
> >> I'm sure a Source engine mod would work
> >> quite well.
> >>
> >> Source and open-source aren't the
> same, for
> >> anyone
> >> confused. :)
> >>
> >> Joker{eXtreme+} wrote:
> >>
> >> Confirmation that they are still NOT
> >> going to
> >> put in Dedi Server
> >> support.
> >>
> >> I'm done. Thank you all and have a
> >> good life.
> >>
> >> ~Joker
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> >> "Einar S. Idsø"
> >> <einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>
> >> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>>
> >> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>
> >> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>>>>
> >>
> >> To: "Call of Duty server admin
> list."
> >> <cod at icculus.org
> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>>
> >>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009
> 10:32 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to
> vent,
> >> Modern
> >> Warfare 2 on the PC
> >>
> >>
> >> Just out: Official Infinity Ward
> >> response to
> >> #MW2 PC players
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Einar
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:12 PM,
> >> escapedturkey
> >> <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>
> >>
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Wouldn't it best to offer both?
> >>
> >> IW.net and dedicated servers
> as an
> >> option?
> >>
> >> That way they can see by the
> statistics
> >> which is the preferred
> >> mode of game
> >> play.
> >>
> >> Schlup wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes fake, was there
> really any
> >> doubt?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mavrick
> >>
> >> [mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>
> >>
> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>>] Sent:
> >> Tuesday,
> >> October 20,
> >> 2009 7:42 AM
> >> To: Call of Duty server
> admin list.
> >> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry
> have
> >> to vent,
> >> Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E
>
> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E>
> >>
> >>
>
> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E
>
> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E
>
> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E>
> >>
> >>
>
> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E
>
> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> fake?
> >>
> >> Richard GrosJean wrote:
> >>
> >> 120k signatures to
> go until it
> >> reaches the famed
> Starcraft
> >> 2 LAN
> >> petition
> >> status.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at
> >> 8:21 AM,
> >> Mavrick Master
> >> <mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>
> >>
> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>>
> >>
> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>
> >>
> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> 84884 Total
> Signatures and
> >> counting...
> >>
> >> **grabs another
> popcorn**
> >>
> >>
> >>
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