[ut3] Possible reason for UT3 Client delay
Sir Brizz
sir.brizz at gmail.com
Fri May 9 13:00:21 EDT 2008
I've signed a few in my time, and it's not common but does happen that
in the Non Disclosure Agreement you agree to not disclose the agreement :)
Brizz
David L. Willson wrote:
> Really? I've never seen one like that, and I've signed a few NDA's.
>
> On Fri, 09 May 2008 09:55:18 -0600, Sir Brizz wrote
>
>> You're joking, right?
>>
>> And NDA can restrict the disclosure of anything related to the NDA,
>> including the NDA itself, if desired.
>>
>> Brizz
>>
>> David L. Willson wrote:
>>
>>> How about an accurate status?
>>> A) Due to an NDA, I am not allowed to discuss the status of the client.
>>> B) The client should be out in a year. I'm working on it.
>>> C) I'm no longer working on it. Higher priority projects have come in.
>>>
>>> or whatever... No NDA prevents disclosure of the existence and scope of the NDA itself,
>>> that I am aware of.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:15:46 +0200, Cironir wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>> But why can Ryan not make a simple post that says something like,
>>>> "Sorry, guys, there's nothing I can say currently." or "Still working on
>>>> it." or "Apologies, things didn't turn out the way I hoped they would."
>>>> You know, just -something-. He talked to "us" before. What stops him
>>>> now? An NDA that wasn't in place before? Seems unlikely he would be
>>>> asked to sign it weeks after the release of the Windows version.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew Clark wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How many times does it have to be repeated.... Ryan is an outside
>>>>> consultant. If he is hire to make something and then it is held up by
>>>>> EPIC it is not his fault. I agree with everything but this, Ryan is not
>>>>> to blame, look at his work. What reason does he have to screw us? He is
>>>>> only a consultant, in no way an official part of Epic or VALVE or any
>>>>> other company that is simply contracted to port something for. I'm
>>>>> grateful to Ryan, because he does something I can't yet do myself, even
>>>>> if he gets screwed like the rest of us. You think he likes the fact that
>>>>> the UT3 linux client hasn't been released yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve M Morehead III wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> couldn't have said it better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 11:23 +0200, Cironir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dean --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are you surprised that Linux users are upset after they were tricked
>>>>>>> into pre-ordering and buying the Windows version of UT3? With what
>>>>>>> turned out to be false and empty promises, which were then followed by
>>>>>>> months of complete silence and disregard. Ryan is not the hand that
>>>>>>> feeds the customers. The customers are the hand that feeds Ryan. It's a
>>>>>>> common misconception that customers of game studios need to be somehow
>>>>>>> grateful for the privilege of being allowed to give the company their
>>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, they didn't want my business as a Linux user. That's fine. ID and
>>>>>>> Splash Damage got the money I had planned to spend on UT3 instead. Not
>>>>>>> that SD is very reliable when it comes to release estimates, but they do
>>>>>>> this obscure thing called "communication". Respect for your customers
>>>>>>> does lead to customer loyalty. I hardly feel respected by Epic or Ryan
>>>>>>> after this whole mess. (It is the silence, not the fact that other
>>>>>>> issues may have come up.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:14 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have a list which Ryan, the developer/porter has graciously provided.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Insulting him, in a medium HE graciously provides is... rude maybe?
>>>>>>>> ungrateful? tactless?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> take your pick.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dean
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David L. Willson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Feeds what? I don't run a server, so what have I gotten? Game? No.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> Updates? No.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Information? No.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The hand doesn't feed. Eat it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 08:44:43 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hmm, nice work. biting the hand that feeds.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dean
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Philipp Schmieder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This mailing list doesn't belong to Epic. It's Ryan's baby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, then he seems to be a bad father.
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