[ut3] Possible reason for UT3 Client delay

Fri May 9 12:59:10 EDT 2008

Really?  I've never seen one like that, and I've signed a few NDA's.

On Fri, 09 May 2008 09:55:18 -0600, Sir Brizz wrote
> You're joking, right?
> 
> And NDA can restrict the disclosure of anything related to the NDA, 
> including the NDA itself, if desired.
> 
> Brizz
> 
> David L. Willson wrote:
> > How about an accurate status?
> > A) Due to an NDA, I am not allowed to discuss the status of the client.
> > B) The client should be out in a year.  I'm working on it.
> > C) I'm no longer working on it.  Higher priority projects have come in.
> >
> > or whatever... No NDA prevents disclosure of the existence and scope of the NDA itself,
> > that I am aware of.
> >
> > On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:15:46 +0200, Cironir wrote
> >   
> >> But why can Ryan not make a simple post that says something like,
> >> "Sorry, guys, there's nothing I can say currently." or "Still working on
> >> it." or "Apologies, things didn't turn out the way I hoped they would."
> >> You know, just -something-. He talked to "us" before. What stops him
> >> now? An NDA that wasn't in place before? Seems unlikely he would be
> >> asked to sign it weeks after the release of the Windows version.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew Clark wrote:
> >>     
> >>> How many times does it have to be repeated.... Ryan is an outside 
> >>> consultant. If he is hire to make something and then it is held up by 
> >>> EPIC it is not his fault.  I agree with everything but this, Ryan is not 
> >>> to blame, look at his work. What reason does he have to screw us? He is 
> >>> only a consultant, in no way an official part of Epic or VALVE or any 
> >>> other company that is simply contracted to port something for.  I'm 
> >>> grateful to Ryan, because he does something I can't yet do myself, even 
> >>> if he gets screwed like the rest of us. You think he likes the fact that 
> >>> the UT3 linux client hasn't been released yet?
> >>>
> >>> Steve M Morehead III wrote:
> >>>       
> >>>> couldn't have said it better.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 11:23 +0200, Cironir wrote:
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Dean --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why are you surprised that Linux users are upset after they were tricked
> >>>>> into pre-ordering and buying the Windows version of UT3? With what
> >>>>> turned out to be false and empty promises, which were then followed by
> >>>>> months of complete silence and disregard. Ryan is not the hand that
> >>>>> feeds the customers. The customers are the hand that feeds Ryan. It's a
> >>>>> common misconception that customers of game studios need to be somehow
> >>>>> grateful for the privilege of being allowed to give the company their
> >>>>> money.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, they didn't want my business as a Linux user. That's fine. ID and
> >>>>> Splash Damage got the money I had planned to spend on UT3 instead. Not
> >>>>> that SD is very reliable when it comes to release estimates, but they do
> >>>>> this obscure thing called "communication". Respect for your customers
> >>>>> does lead to customer loyalty. I hardly feel respected by Epic or Ryan
> >>>>> after this whole mess. (It is the silence, not the fact that other
> >>>>> issues may have come up.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:14 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote:
> >>>>>           
> >>>>>> You have a list which Ryan, the developer/porter has graciously provided.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Insulting him, in a medium HE graciously provides is... rude maybe?
> >>>>>> ungrateful? tactless?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> take your pick.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dean
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> David L. Willson wrote:
> >>>>>>             
> >>>>>>> Feeds what?  I don't run a server, so what have I gotten?  Game?  No. 
> >>>>>>>               
> > Updates?  No. 
> >   
> >>>>>>> Information?  No.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The hand doesn't feed.  Eat it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 08:44:43 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote
> >>>>>>>               
> >>>>>>>> hmm, nice work. biting the hand that feeds.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dean
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Philipp Schmieder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>                 
> >>>>>>>>>> This mailing list doesn't belong to Epic. It's Ryan's baby.
> >>>>>>>>>>                     
> >>>>>>>>> Well, then he seems to be a bad father.
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