The LTK (action quake2) bot should work. But that's only because there is all of the source available. Eraser doesn't have all of the code available. The same goes for Gladiator iirc. -- -zakk DUDE TH%T MADE ME LA{UGH SO HARD I SPL:ORTED MILK OU(T MY NOSE AND [B[B[B THE KEYBO{RD zakk at timedoctor.org