hey kids don't worry! i keep an nice page of all my themes including a finished version of greenz and some other things here http://home.clara.co.uk/dpb/openbox.htm also you can set font sizes these two ways: menu.items.font: Nimbus Sans L:pixelsize=11 menu.items.font: Bitstream Vera Sans:size=8 ...now where did i leave BOX OF WINE?