[Gtkradiant] Further GtkRadiant development?
Markus Fischer
markus at fischer.name
Sun Dec 27 18:22:01 CST 2009
Hi,
That's true, I took a look at DarkRadiant and it's incredible what they
did out of the original code base, kudos to them.
However, very unfortunate, they decided to put they're energy solely
with the focus of the idTech4 engine and even their FAQ states there's
no support for idTech3; but that's the engine I've mind. Although a
decade has passed on the release of Q3, I guess due the source release,
you get the impression it's forks, mods and TCs are more alive then
ever; also simply because no matter how many *radiants are out there,
except this one, every other supports tech3 first class (and even still Q2).
I've yet to take a closer look how NetRadiant evolved, where it's focus
is really. I just started evaluating, but I think it's already visible
what TTimo meant, as they completely overhauled the make system and
essentially replaced scons with classical make and threw away MSVC build
support completely (haven't yet seen the benefit in that except for
developers own motivation).
I'm continuing further, thanks for the many feedback on the list so far!
- Markus
On 28.12.2009 00:38, Thomas Nitschke wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I would suggest that you take a look at the darkradiant project from
> the darkmod.
> They forked from a pre-release 1.5 and added lots of usefull features and
> bugfixes since then. In fact I consider darkrd to be one of most advanced
> radiant-forks today. There maybe alot of stuff in the code thats
> related to the darkmod, but many features improve the usability and
> other common things.
>
> Cu,
> namespace
>
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> Betreff: Re: [Gtkradiant] Further GtkRadiant development?
> Gesendet: So, 27. Dez 2009
> Von: ailmanki
>
> Well that is unfortunate I was not aware that ZeroRadiant is still alive. I merly joined the Mailing list - in case - there is some interesting talk.
> I started making NetRadiant work for OSX, not that I am any good in C .. but it works now better.
> http://code.google.com/p/osxnetradiant/
>
> Will see if I can get ZeroRadiant work also... I read in older msgs from this mailing list, that OSX devolpers never stayed long enough or only worried about there own stuff. I switched recently from Linux to OSX - and I will stay on OSX and using Radiant - so sorry but I will surely nerve with stuff related to osx.
>
> So I join this.. hopefully I can get it to run.
> ailmanki
>
> ps: idling aswell on the irc now.. d'oh ain't dead at all .. what was I thinking
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Timothee Besset <ttimo at idsoftware.com> wrote:
> ailmanki wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Just to mention it, there is a fork of the 1.5
>> http://dev.alientrap.org/wiki/netradiant alive.
>>
>> Hmmm so 1.6 is they way to go, actually quite a sad thing, 3 different
>> versions which have different abilities.
>> Maybe thats the reason, that since 1.3 none has made a new plugin..
>>
>> thanks
>> ailmanki
>>
>
> Yeah there is NetRadiant too. It's a bit unfortunate that they went
> their own way and never wanted to play ball with us, but that's
> perfectly within the rules of open source software.
>
> TTimo
>
>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Timothee Besset <ttimo at idsoftware.com
>> <mailto:ttimo at idsoftware.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Markus,
>>
>> 1.6 was started off of 1.4, which is the latest version I had
>> worked on.
>> William Joseph did extensive changes to the 1.5 code for his own
>> projects but since it was a mostly unknown codebase for us and we
>> had an
>> immediate need for the QUAKE LIVE project we decided we'd rather build
>> on top of 1.4
>>
>> I would recommend continuing to work off of trunk / 1.6 .. there isn't
>> any development to speak of from us at this time (the editor has
>> all the
>> features we really needed for QUAKE LIVE), but it's still the release
>> we're most likely to pay attention to.
>>
>> TTimo
>>
>> Markus Fischer wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've created a clone of GtkRadiant on github [1] and added a few
>> things,
>> > fixed crashes I found, etc. I'm tracking my changes in the NEWS
>> [2] file.
>> >
>> > My initial motivation was to move my map development over to 1.6
>> as I
>> > found it has some features I'm missing in 1.5 . I discovered
>> that the
>> > two version differ quite and started to miss things in 1.6 I had
>> in 1.5 .
>> >
>> > Due trunk/ having the latest developer changes, instead of going
>> back to
>> > 1.5 I started working on in-cooperating the missing things into
>> trunk, I
>> > also find that the trunk source is a bit nicer organized.
>> >
>> > However I soon discovered how *much* they're different and it
>> boils down
>> > to that the number of things I'm missing increases and that I also
>> > experience incompatibility problems when continuing work on maps I
>> > created with 1.5, they would load in 1.6 but as soon as I save them,
>> > some parts, notable related to func_groups, simply get removed.
>> >
>> > As I currently stand I don't know which direction to head,
>> whether to
>> > continue improving trunk or going a step back and evaluate using
>> 1.5 to
>> > build on further work.
>> >
>> > If there's anyone having interest in development and has time
>> for it or
>> > some view on the things I said, please speak up :-)
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > - Markus
>> >
>> > [1] http://github.com/mfn/GtkRadiant
>> > [2] http://github.com/mfn/GtkRadiant/blob/mfn/NEWS
>> >
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