[cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
Mavrick
mavrick.master at gmail.com
Wed Oct 21 03:47:31 EDT 2009
Aight, let's put the fluffy Dice away and get a forum cranking rather
than taking over the mailing list? :P
Daniel 'mavrick' Lang
www.mavrick.id.au
Einar S. Idsø wrote:
> Exactly. The way I see it, DICE/EA are no better. It started with BF2
> and ranked servers which were only available
> to companies that were able to obtain a contract with EA, which wasn't
> all that hard to do. The number of ranked
> providers was significantly decreased for BF2142, and many companies
> that had contracts for BF2 did not obtain
> them for BF2142. BF Heroes has only a handful of providers, and there
> are no unranked options for communities.
>
> And yet DICE *have the balls* to mock IW for dropping dedicated
> servers! It's friggin' distasteful, that's what is is!
>
> They are all killing the communities out there as long as they don't
> allow communities to run their own servers.
>
> Cheers,
> Einar
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Steffen Tronstad <sttr at nextgentel.com> wrote:
>
>> DICE are moving in the same direction:
>>
>> Battlefield 1943 - no community servers (matchmaking).
>> Battlefield Heroes - only 5 worldwide GSPs (matchmaking).
>> All future releases - only windows dedicated servers (if any).
>>
>> Esport as we know it, is dying :|
>>
>>
>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>> Fra: Mavrick [mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com]
>> Sendt: 21. oktober 2009 09:28
>> Til: Call of Duty server admin list.
>> Emne: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
>>
>> Let's try and get DICE on a webcast with Joker and RudeDog? See if they
>> would be willing to back a community built FPS, for FPS Players by FPS
>> players?
>>
>> The latest post by 402 doesn't tell us anything more than what we
>> already know imo. "Questions, assumptions, and speculation I intend to
>> dispel." He really knows how to put his foot in his mouth.
>>
>> I would be willing to throw the $100 i didn't spend on COD6 to a
>> community built FPS for sure!
>>
>> Andre Lorbach wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't like the expensive ranked system either, but aAt least BF2 had an
>>> the option to run your own "unranked" dedicated servers.
>>>
>>> --
>>> regards,
>>> Andre
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: escapedturkey [mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com]
>>>> Sent: Dienstag, 20. Oktober 2009 21:41
>>>> To: Call of Duty server admin list.
>>>> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
>>>>
>>>> Not a fan of the ranked server system that BF2 had. It was very hurtful
>>>> to the mod scene. Ranked servers costed more and were restricted to FTP
>>>> access. Hopefully DICE doesn't do the whole ranked server system again.
>>>>
>>>> RaBBiT wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I've always wanted to move to Valve, but only the real COD community
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> can
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> make a real source mod that feels like a cod game.
>>>>> Btw a PC game like cod or coduo...
>>>>> Time will tell, i'll be glad to map on that project.
>>>>> Otherwise DICE might make the GOTY on PC with BFBC2.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: What about Treyarch? will they screw things up next year?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rabbit
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> *From:* Seth Sauls <mailto:wizz220 at gmail.com>
>>>>> *To:* Call of Duty server admin list. <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:27 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> PC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I say that a group of community modders and mappers gets together
>>>>> and starts a "source" mod. Call it MW2:Source or something like
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Make it badass and build it off the source engine. Make the maps
>>>>> exactly like in MW2, models and all. Then for a map pack make
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> stock cod4 maps/models and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you all say....
>>>>>
>>>>> Wizz
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman <iam8up at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:iam8up at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Did anyone think that maybe they're trying to take away Halo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 3
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> players?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/20/09, Lars Vik <lars at 3056.net <mailto:lars at 3056.net>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have both xbox 360 and PS3, but use the consoles mainly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ...well...
>>>>> > console games. Like racing games, Rockband etc. But is it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> really
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > possible to play FPS on console? I have tried misc FPS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> demos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and so on,
>>>>> > but I find it hopeless. Clearly, if the majority of CoD
>>>>> players are on
>>>>> > console, i must have missed something? I.e. can you get
>>>>> keyboard/mouse
>>>>> > to xbox 360? They aren't seriously using the hand
>>>>> controller/joystick?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am also a bit surprised IW are selling more of a FPS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> game
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to console
>>>>> > than to PC. I can't help but thing that I am getting old
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> something
>>>>> > like that. That I am out of the loop so to speak.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hmmm....
>>>>> >
>>>>> > John Kennington wrote:
>>>>> >> There was a group of modders that tried that and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> succeeded,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> somewhat.
>>>>> >> Red Oktober is a mod and is a decent game, however it is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> far to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> realistic for the casual player.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> John
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM, escapedturkey
>>>>> >> <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Tough to say. I think the mod community, if combining
>>>>> forces, can
>>>>> >> make any game engine or mod run better, faster, and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> more
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> fun.
>>>>> >> Faith in the community. For open-source, my vote goes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> to:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> http://xreal-project.net <http://xreal-project.net/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> based on IOQuake3.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> However, even IOQuake3 will do:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://ioquake3.org <http://ioquake3.org/>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Enuff of my rambling ...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Martin H wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Problem with the source engine is its not so good
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> making a
>>>>> >> game like CoD, of all the mods i've played to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> date
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the only
>>>>> >> one that had potential imo was Insurgency. Which
>>>>> although fun,
>>>>> >> didnt come close to the gameplay of CoD
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I just dont think the source engine is cut out
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> for a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> game like
>>>>> >> cod. come to think of it though, i cant think of
>>>>> anything that
>>>>> >> is...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> One of the gripes i have with the system they
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> intend
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> on using
>>>>> >> is, if the matchmaking system always puts you
>>>>> against people
>>>>> >> at your skill level, how is a player meant to
>>>>> progress? i've
>>>>> >> always found the best way to improve is to be
>>>>> subjected to
>>>>> >> repeated raping. If IWNet dumps you with players
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> on your
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> level, you just wont improve.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It says its done on "skill level". How is a skill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> level
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> determined? Average KD ratio? if thats the case,
>>>>> players will
>>>>> >> be flying up and down the skill rankings every
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> time
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> they have
>>>>> >> a bad/good day. If a player is doing particularly
>>>>> well on a
>>>>> >> certain day, their KD ratio would increase. But
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> next day,
>>>>> >> if they're back to 'normal' levels, they'll be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> way
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> out of
>>>>> >> their depth. Or vice versa. quite easy to have a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> bad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> day, and
>>>>> >> then find yourself on a server with people way
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> below
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> your
>>>>> >> actual skill rating.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the
>>>>> fact that
>>>>> >> you don't have to worry about joining a server
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> full of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> server
>>>>> >> admin of the server to constantly be monitoring,
>>>>> banning, and
>>>>> >> policing it."
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yeah, thats great until theres an admin that isnt
>>>>> 100% clued
>>>>> >> up on banning people, and theres a guy on the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> server
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> who's
>>>>> >> name is changing every two seconds. Its going to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> be no
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> different than a CoD4 server in reality.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Surely the better way to get rid of cheating
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> would
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> be to seal
>>>>> >> up all the holes that allow these hacks to be
>>>>> created in the
>>>>> >> first place?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2009/10/20 Joker{eXtreme+}
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <joker at mycallofduty.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com
>>>>> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com
>>>>> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Another post by Bowling
>>>>> >> http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ~Joker
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> "escapedturkey"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>
>>>>> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> To: "Call of Duty server admin list."
>>>>> <cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:06 AM
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern
>>>>> Warfare 2 on
>>>>> >> the PC
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best thing to do is start with the mod makers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> that first
>>>>> >> interview.
>>>>> >> Have them get together with a single purpose
>>>>> "make or mod an
>>>>> >> alternative".
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Valve offers great support:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Building_Mods_with_Valve_Techno
>>>> logy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> :)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Bong-Master wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> broken record Lmfto no just a long record
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> any how,
>>>>> >> how &
>>>>> >> were do you
>>>>> >> start ?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >> From: "escapedturkey"
>>>>> <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>
>>>>> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:55 PM
>>>>> >> To: "Call of Duty server admin list."
>>>>> <cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Modern
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Warfare 2
>>>>> >> on the PC
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Exactly. I don't see why this can't be
>>>>> done via the
>>>>> >> Source
>>>>> >> engine or
>>>>> >> other means. All the weapons, game
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> play,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and such
>>>>> >> can be
>>>>> >> replicated.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Valve shows a lot of support, has VAC,
>>>>> dedicated Linux
>>>>> >> binares, etc.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Anyhow, I am sounding like a broken
>>>>> record. :)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hannu Kumpeli wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Lets put the money together from
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 100,000+
>>>>> >> signatures
>>>>> >> and let some
>>>>> >> company make us the game we want
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> DEDI
>>>>> >> SUPPORT :D
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Let's go open-source or Source
>>>>> engine! :)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As I listened to the interview
>>>>> most of the
>>>>> >> people
>>>>> >> talking were
>>>>> >> modders. Can't they all come
>>>>> together and do a
>>>>> >> Source mod or open
>>>>> >> source project?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'm sure a Source engine mod
>>>>> would work
>>>>> >> quite well.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Source and open-source aren't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> same, for
>>>>> >> anyone
>>>>> >> confused. :)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Joker{eXtreme+} wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Confirmation that they are
>>>>> still NOT
>>>>> >> going to
>>>>> >> put in Dedi Server
>>>>> >> support.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'm done. Thank you all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> have a
>>>>> >> good life.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ~Joker
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message ---
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From:
>>>>> >> "Einar S. Idsø"
>>>>> >> <einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
>>>>> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>
>>>>> >> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
>>>>> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
>>>>> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>
>>>>> >> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
>>>>> <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> To: "Call of Duty server
>>>>> admin list."
>>>>> >> <cod at icculus.org
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20,
>>>>> 2009 10:32 AM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to vent,
>>>>> >> Modern
>>>>> >> Warfare 2 on the PC
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Just out: Official
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Infinity Ward
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> response to
>>>>> >> #MW2 PC players
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>> >> Einar
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 3:12 PM,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> escapedturkey
>>>>> >>
>>>>> <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Wouldn't it best to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> offer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> both?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> IW.net and dedicated
>>>>> servers as an
>>>>> >> option?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> That way they can see
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> by
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the statistics
>>>>> >> which is the preferred
>>>>> >> mode of game
>>>>> >> play.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Schlup wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yes fake, was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> really any
>>>>> >> doubt?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -----Original
>>>>> Message-----
>>>>> >> From: Mavrick
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>>] Sent:
>>>>> >> Tuesday,
>>>>> >> October 20,
>>>>> >> 2009 7:42 AM
>>>>> >> To: Call of Duty
>>>>> server admin list.
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [cod]
>>>>> Sorry have
>>>>> >> to vent,
>>>>> >> Modern Warfare 2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the PC
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> fake?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Richard GrosJean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 120k
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> signatures
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to go until it
>>>>> >> reaches the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> famed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Starcraft
>>>>> >> 2 LAN
>>>>> >> petition
>>>>> >> status.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Oct
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 20,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2009 at
>>>>> >> 8:21 AM,
>>>>> >> Mavrick Master
>>>>> >>
>>>>> <mavrick.master at gmail.com <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>>>>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 84884 Total
>>>>> Signatures and
>>>>> >> counting...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> **grabs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> another
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> popcorn**
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -----------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> cod mailing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> cod at icculus.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> No virus found in this
>>>>> incoming message.
>>>>> >> Checked by AVG -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> www.avg.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.avg.com/>
>>>>> >> <http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/>>
>>>>> <http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Version: 8.5.422 / Virus
>>>>> Database:
>>>>> >> 270.14.23/2448 - Release
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Date:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> 10/20/09 10:43:00
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
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>>>>> >> cod mailing list
>>>>> >> cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>> >> cod mailing list
>>>>> >> cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>>> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>>> <http://www.avg.com/> <http://www.avg.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <http://www.avg.com/>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >> <http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 270.14.23/2448
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> - Release
>>>>> >> Date:
>>>>> >> 10/20/09 10:43:00
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
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>>>>> >> cod mailing list
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>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> >> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -----------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> >> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
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>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>> >> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> No matter how fast light travels it finds the darkness
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> has
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> always got
>>>>> >> there first, and is waiting for it. -- (Terry Pratchett,
>>>>> Reaper Man)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -----------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
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>>>>> > http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>
>>>>> A patch in time saves kill -9
>>>>> -http://www.tuxmaniac.com <http://www.tuxmaniac.com/>
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>>>>>
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