[cod] Anyone running a good COD or UO with 1.5x???

Jay Vasallo jayco1 at charter.net
Fri Dec 24 14:47:47 EST 2004


Hmmm,

I see what your gathering at. I just spoke to a friend of mine and showed him what you had written. He said he will get me an article that will explain to me more of what I was trying to depict. The OS scheduler is also a great aspect of the 8 way transfer. But he also told me that when tyan mother boards are utilized, amazing things happen. But thanks for that article, lot of juicy info in there. You of course know more about the os than i do and I thank you for your knowledge.

=o)


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steven Hartland 
  To: cod at icculus.org 
  Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [cod] Anyone running a good COD or UO with 1.5x???


  Interesting read there Jay but I must say I don't believe the CPU swapping
  thing. CPU tasking is all down to the OS scheduler. The two / four way
  details your a talking about is the number of hypertransport links that
  are built onto the respective cpu's a picture is worth a 1000 words so
  I'll refer people to:
  http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/31342B_One-page_FINAL.pdf

  In essence the Opteron scales better due to fact it has dedicated
  CPU <=> CPU interconnects where as the P4 doesn't. Nothing more
  nothing less there ( to my knowledge ). There is no automatic CPU
  load balancing on the CPU or MB its all down to the OS.

  I don't believe there is such a thing as 448's:
  http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8796_9240,00.html?redir=CPOS14
  The key difference between the 100, 200 and 800 series are the
  number of coherent HyperTransport links:
  100 = 0
  200 = 1
  800 = 3

      Steve / K
  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jay Vasallo 
    To: cod at icculus.org 
    Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:22 PM
    Subject: Re: [cod] Anyone running a good COD or UO with 1.5x???


    Dr. D,

    Before I started building these machines to run my business, I kissed a lot of arse. No joke. Fragged with some hot shots from AMD for years and still frag with them from time to time.

    I did a lot of studying on 1/0 transfer and also AMD's ability to handle and tranfer information 2 -8 times, depending on the style of chip you get. For example:

    248's can handle two way traffic  - two cpu's on tyan
    448's can handle four way traffic  - four cpu's
    848's can handle eight way traffic  - eight cpu's

    People used to laugh at me when I told them we had two way traffic. "Oh you full of shit Jay the game doesn't support it!" Game doesn't have to support for you to get two to four way transfer. This is where AMD & Tyan make a graceful marriage. While no one is wathcing, Tyan is swapping wives! The program never gets binded to a cpu. It goes to the cpu for cruch time, does it thing and leave. When it needs to get more info cruched, it goies back. If that cpu is used, it goes to the next one. Always takes the cpu freed first. Never has to wai because cpu 1 is still screwing around processing info for ET game. 

    Now if I have a crashed proggy on cpu1, all the programs that started on cpu1 will now goto cpu2. This eliminates a great deal of stress for CPU1. 

    So now not only have we eliminated the need to wait in line, but we also have 50,000 1/0 a second utilizing Tyan Motherboards before we ever decided to go with a OS. So now My system will out perform yours at any day or time and we haven't even picked the bitch to take us there.


    Three years ago, I met a person by the name of Nelson Marques. This person to me is one of the most trusted people I have ever met on the net. Being both from European decent, we hit it off from the start. Nelson always told me, screw Red Hat, kiss Fedora! So now I go ahead and learn Fedora Cora and its concorde, the FC2 -64. "apt-get" rpm will update the software and install most of everything that you may need to run games. If not, the forums do a great job of teaching as they are many Fedora geeks who are way to fat to leave their homes, so they sit around all day and help people - this is good.

    So now I have good cpu's, a great MB , OS and now it is time to choose the drives. This is where 10 to 15 thousand rpm drives take command. Having the ability to do 50,000 I/O a second and goto a 5000 rpm drive, well doesn't make sense. We choose Seagate Barracudas. Never ever have any issues with the drives and they are superfast.

    Last thing - memory. I have seen a server with one gig of ram and three cod games lag the living shit out of everyone connecting. Warp speed Mr. Zulu. Yea right. Funny playing catch-up on a server because you were killed 5 minutes ago but you don't know it yet. A great deal of memory on surplus will releave any stress the cpu may encounter under heavy load.

    For instance: I like to do this test... Wait till I about about 50 percent load capacity, then I would go and do something crazy like tar up the home drive, or even start a network backup! Now we have all server connecting to each other and transferrring info at 10mbs a second right after a good bz2. This will cause some faces to crack in the wind, let me tell you! If I do not see my system load rise to 100 percent, then I know I am fine. I seen a three gig memory server hit 100 almost instantly untill I dropped another gig of ram!

    Here's another thing I would never do, is put the same game on one box. I know that it seems logical to have only one game on a box, but it is far from practical. Imagine a box with 10 COD uo's running on it at the same time. lol. Good luck if you don't have a quad four! But I normally get between 10 - 15 games on a box smoothly. I do swtch from COD to sof2 to Ut2004 to BF to whatever..never just one game.

    Some can say it is luck. Negative! Some can bash but I couldn't care less. I spent close to quarter million on my network between machines and learning the hard way, for there is no website you can go to, that will make you a server provider by purchasing a subscription.

    So now I turn to my next move, complete automation. I looked towards www.game-panel.com for a clue. But those people need help in a big way. I mean they don't have a clue. Their program is straight up crap. Sorry don't mean to bash but I only call it as I see it. A duck is a duck and it doesn't matter how you dress it. After about a three hour install, I noticed that they would have access to my servers any anytime. You have to be a straight up idiot to let a program have root access at all time and them have root access to hundres of machines. Did someone say Hacker...yes I did becasuse this is exactlys exactly what we seen happening to our machines. So I requested my five dollars back from them for their initial try package. 

    Fiance tugging at my shirt, "My biological clock is ticking ...." OMFG, Lisa has nothing on my fiance when she says it. It stops sound!

    So I decided to use a bunch of commands, like sed, grap, awk and so on to make my first automated site. https://www.ventriloservers.biz . After about two months of programming, testing and more testing, we now have a perfect site! No Flaws and completely automated. This site will eventually be my Kid's college fund. I never have to worry about anything as all servers are fully secured, fc 64 and they all chat with each other. the minute one stops chatting, the others shut down. Nice little secuity feature...almost like stealing a Porche only to run out of gas as the cops get on your ass. =o)

    This is another reason why I use daemon tools! Great to restart once a week and have 400 plus ventrilo servers kick on instanly! Why restart? Why not? I paid for it, I can start it when i want.. =o)

    So now with my fiance tugging at me, I know the day is coming soom where I will have to give up the other 50 woman I am dating! So now I must finish making clanwarzgamingservers.com completely automated. Once this is done, I am taking off to Rome!! 

    This is my story and I am sticking to it.

    Call me if you need anything, fo i may be just watching the boob tube for most of today and then tonight family things.

    1-314-495-4840

    =o)


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Mark J. DeFilippis 
      To: cod at icculus.org 
      Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 8:49 AM
      Subject: Re: [cod] Anyone running a good COD or UO with 1.5x???



      Jay,

      I would be crazy to pass up your gracious offer.  I am certain I can
      learn a lot. Reality is I am just a Dad trying to run a clan for my boys
      and the friends he has made.  It is costing me a bundle right now, because
      I don't think I have the right machines/configs.  I will gladly take you up on
      your offer. You are never too old to learn! I am not a server rental company, but
      beginning to feel like one. At over $300/mo in servers, cause you can't get the
      server configs and combinations for what U want to do correct, it is frustrating.

      Perhaps I should follow the leader.  Both my machines have only 1 Gig Ram,
      and indeed that may be part of the problem. Setting up the server to run a
      few different servers should not be so difficult, but you need to spend the
      time, and really get in to the QIII stuff, and I don't have it, and didn't do it. Guilty.

      I need to walk however before I can run.  If I wish to run 2 UO, 2 COD, a BF1942,
      I am going to need more ram, that I know. But I tested yesterday...

      I ran a single 30U wide open UO on a single 3.2Ghz P4 HT, 1GB Ram, 100Mbs
      and full on FOY, everyone ina darn jeep or tank (except the same guy that
      snipers from the tower ;-))

      I ran the same config on a 2xDual Pent 2.4Ghz HT, 1GB, 100Mbs, and it lags
      badly.  CPU on the 3.2 is 50-60%. CPU on the 2.4 is 70-75%-80% but one
      CPU of the two, the other sitting there, shares once in a while, but otherwise is idle.

      A bit perplexing, but perhaps I am indeed hitting the CPU limit on the one processor...

      David Fuess, if you recall his post on 12/2  stated he is running 3 UO server on one machine along with several other game types (1 UT2k4, 3 SOF2, 3-WET, 3 COD, 1 CSS) and showed the IP's, etc, and it seems to check out. (3 are private others public)... See below:


      Md

      From: David A. Fuess [mailto:david at fuess.net]
      Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:27 PM
      To: cod at icculus.org
      Subject: Re: [cod] Multiple service server + Going off list due to
      "spamming"

      I run 3 UO servers on one machine along with several other game types
      (1-UT2k4, 3-SOF2, 3-WET, 3 COD:UO, 1-CSS)

      Team Judge UT2004 67.18.122.226 7777 10000 24 8 ut4s xCTFGame CTF-SMOTE
      Team Judge Public CTF 67.18.122.226 20100 15000 30 0 sof2s ctf mp_kam4
      Team Judge Public Custom 67.18.122.226 20200 15000 30 0 sof2s ctf mp_Italy3
      Team Judge L337 Match Server 67.18.122.226 20300 10000 20 0 sof2s ctf
      arioche/mp_small
      Team Judge 9 Map Campaign ETPro 3.0 67.18.122.227 27960 25000 28 1 ets et
      supplydepot
      Team Judge Custom/Stock 67.18.122.227 27961 100000 28 0 ets et oasis
      Team Judge Match Server 67.18.122.227 27962 15000 18 0 ets et battery
      Team Judge L337 COD/UO Server 67.18.122.228 28960 25000 24 5 cods tdm
      mp_saint-rush
      Team Judge L337 COD/UO CTF-HQ 67.18.122.228 28961 25000 24 0 cods ctf
      mp_cassino
      Team Judge L337 COD/UO Match 67.18.122.228 28962 25000 24 0 cods dom
      mp_arnhem
      Team Judge L337 HL2 CS 67.18.122.229 27015 - 24 0 hl2s cs_italy

      You see the three UO servers are on ports 28960, 28961, and 28962. Each
      game is a separate install on Linux so the connection is defined uniquely
      for each.

      Dave


      At 10:08 PM 12/23/2004, you wrote:

        I can give you a link so you can dl my entire setup. Should take you 12 minutes ...
         
        I use that one script for my daemon customers... and add a screen command for the customers that like to switch from mod to mod.
         
        I don't allow downloads straight from the servers. Every config file has a redirect so all the customers can grab whatever maps we have at www.codmaps.net .
         
        Let me know if you want my set up. I also use 
          
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      Mark J. DeFilippis, Ph. D EE          defilm at acm.org
                                            defilm at ieee.org





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