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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hmmm,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I see what your gathering at. I just spoke to a
friend of mine and showed him what you had written. He said he will get me an
article that will explain to me more of what I was trying to depict. The OS
scheduler is also a great aspect of the 8 way transfer. But he also told me that
when tyan mother boards are utilized, amazing things happen. But thanks for that
article, lot of juicy info in there. You of course know more about the os than i
do and I thank you for your knowledge.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>=o)</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=killing@multiplay.co.uk href="mailto:killing@multiplay.co.uk">Steven
Hartland</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=cod@icculus.org
href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 24, 2004 1:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cod] Anyone running a good
COD or UO with 1.5x???</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting read there Jay but I must say I don't
believe the CPU swapping</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thing. CPU tasking is all down to the OS
scheduler. The two / four way</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>details your a talking about is the number of
hypertransport links that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>are built onto the respective cpu's a picture is
worth a 1000 words so</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll refer people to:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/31342B_One-page_FINAL.pdf">http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/31342B_One-page_FINAL.pdf</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In essence the Opteron scales better due to fact
it has dedicated</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CPU <=> CPU interconnects where as the P4
doesn't. Nothing more</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>nothing less there ( to my knowledge ). There is
no automatic CPU</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>load </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>balancing on
the CPU or MB its all down to the OS.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't believe there is such a thing as
448's:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8796_9240,00.html?redir=CPOS14">http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8796_9240,00.html?redir=CPOS14</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The key difference between the 100, 200 and 800
series are the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>number of <STRONG>coherent</STRONG>
HyperTransport links:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>100 = 0</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>200 = 1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=TimesNewRoman,Bold size=3><FONT
size=2>800 = 3</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Steve / K</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=jayco1@charter.net href="mailto:jayco1@charter.net">Jay Vasallo</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=cod@icculus.org
href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 24, 2004 4:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cod] Anyone running a
good COD or UO with 1.5x???</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Dr. D,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Before I started building these machines to run my business, I kissed a
lot of arse. No joke. Fragged with some hot shots from AMD for years and
still frag with them from time to time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I did a lot of studying on 1/0 transfer and also AMD's ability to
handle and tranfer information 2 -8 times, depending on the style of chip
you get. For example:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>248's can handle two way traffic - two cpu's on tyan</DIV>
<DIV>448's can handle four way traffic - four cpu's</DIV>
<DIV>848's can handle eight way traffic - eight cpu's</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>People used to laugh at me when I told them we had two way traffic. "Oh
you full of shit Jay the game doesn't support it!" Game doesn't have to
support for you to get two to four way transfer. This is where AMD &
Tyan make a graceful marriage. While no one is wathcing, Tyan is swapping
wives! The program never gets binded to a cpu. It goes to the cpu for cruch
time, does it thing and leave. When it needs to get more info cruched, it
goies back. If that cpu is used, it goes to the next one. Always takes the
cpu freed first. Never has to wai because cpu 1 is still screwing around
processing info for ET game. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now if I have a crashed proggy on cpu1, all the programs that started
on cpu1 will now goto cpu2. This eliminates a great deal of stress for CPU1.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So now not only have we eliminated the need to wait in line, but we
also have 50,000 1/0 a second utilizing Tyan Motherboards before we ever
decided to go with a OS. So now My system will out perform yours at any day
or time and we haven't even picked the bitch to take us there.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Three years ago, I met a person by the name of Nelson Marques. This
person to me is one of the most trusted people I have ever met on the net.
Being both from European decent, we hit it off from the start. Nelson always
told me, screw Red Hat, kiss Fedora! So now I go ahead and learn Fedora Cora
and its concorde, the FC2 -64. "apt-get" rpm will update the software and
install most of everything that you may need to run games. If not, the
forums do a great job of teaching as they are many Fedora geeks who are way
to fat to leave their homes, so they sit around all day and help people -
this is good.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So now I have good cpu's, a great MB , OS and now it is time to choose
the drives. This is where 10 to 15 thousand rpm drives take command. Having
the ability to do 50,000 I/O a second and goto a 5000 rpm drive, well
doesn't make sense. We choose Seagate Barracudas. Never ever have any issues
with the drives and they are superfast.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Last thing - memory. I have seen a server with one gig of ram and three
cod games lag the living shit out of everyone connecting. Warp speed Mr.
Zulu. Yea right. Funny playing catch-up on a server because you were killed
5 minutes ago but you don't know it yet. A great deal of memory on surplus
will releave any stress the cpu may encounter under heavy load.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For instance: I like to do this test... Wait till I about about 50
percent load capacity, then I would go and do something crazy like tar up
the home drive, or even start a network backup! Now we have all server
connecting to each other and transferrring info at 10mbs a second right
after a good bz2. This will cause some faces to crack in the wind, let me
tell you! If I do not see my system load rise to 100 percent, then I know I
am fine. I seen a three gig memory server hit 100 almost instantly untill I
dropped another gig of ram!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here's another thing I would never do, is put the same game on one box.
I know that it seems logical to have only one game on a box, but it is far
from practical. Imagine a box with 10 COD uo's running on it at the same
time. lol. Good luck if you don't have a quad four! But I normally get
between 10 - 15 games on a box smoothly. I do swtch from COD to sof2 to
Ut2004 to BF to whatever..never just one game.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Some can say it is luck. Negative! Some can bash but I couldn't care
less. I spent close to quarter million on my network between machines and
learning the hard way, for there is no website you can go to, that will make
you a server provider by purchasing a subscription.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So now I turn to my next move, complete automation. I looked towards <A
href="http://www.game-panel.com">www.game-panel.com</A> for a clue. But
those people need help in a big way. I mean they don't have a clue. Their
program is straight up crap. Sorry don't mean to bash but I only call it as
I see it. A duck is a duck and it doesn't matter how you dress it. After
about a three hour install, I noticed that they would have access to my
servers any anytime. You have to be a straight up idiot to let a program
have root access at all time and them have root access to hundres of
machines. Did someone say Hacker...yes I did becasuse this is exactlys
exactly what we seen happening to our machines. So I requested my five
dollars back from them for their initial try package. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Fiance tugging at my shirt, "My biological clock is ticking ...." OMFG,
Lisa has nothing on my fiance when she says it. It stops sound!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So I decided to use a bunch of commands, like sed, grap, awk and so on
to make my first automated site. <A
href="https://www.ventriloservers.biz">https://www.ventriloservers.biz</A> .
After about two months of programming, testing and more testing, we now have
a perfect site! No Flaws and completely automated. This site will eventually
be my Kid's college fund. I never have to worry about anything as all
servers are fully secured, fc 64 and they all chat with each other. the
minute one stops chatting, the others shut down. Nice little secuity
feature...almost like stealing a Porche only to run out of gas as the cops
get on your ass. =o)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is another reason why I use daemon tools! Great to restart once a
week and have 400 plus ventrilo servers kick on instanly! Why restart? Why
not? I paid for it, I can start it when i want.. =o)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So now with my fiance tugging at me, I know the day is coming soom
where I will have to give up the other 50 woman I am dating! So now I must
finish making clanwarzgamingservers.com completely automated. Once this is
done, I am taking off to Rome!! </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is my story and I am sticking to it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Call me if you need anything, fo i may be just
watching the boob tube for most of today and then tonight family
things.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1-314-495-4840</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>=o)</DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=defilm@acm.org href="mailto:defilm@acm.org">Mark J.
DeFilippis</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=cod@icculus.org
href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 24, 2004 8:49
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cod] Anyone running a
good COD or UO with 1.5x???</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Jay,<BR><BR>I would be crazy to pass up your gracious
offer. I am certain I can<BR>learn a lot. Reality is I am just a Dad
trying to run a clan for my boys<BR>and the friends he has made. It
is costing me a bundle right now, because<BR>I don't think I have the
right machines/configs. I will gladly take you up on<BR>your offer.
You are never too old to learn! I am not a server rental company,
but<BR>beginning to feel like one. At over $300/mo in servers, cause you
can't get the<BR>server configs and combinations for what U want to do
correct, it is frustrating.<BR><BR>Perhaps I should follow the
leader. Both my machines have only 1 Gig Ram,<BR>and indeed that may
be part of the problem. Setting up the server to run a<BR>few different
servers should not be so difficult, but you need to spend the<BR>time, and
really get in to the QIII stuff, and I don't have it, and didn't do it.
Guilty.<BR><BR>I need to walk however before I can run. If I wish to
run 2 UO, 2 COD, a BF1942,<BR>I am going to need more ram, that I know.
But I tested yesterday...<BR><BR>I ran a single 30U wide open UO on a
single 3.2Ghz P4 HT, 1GB Ram, 100Mbs<BR>and full on FOY, everyone ina darn
jeep or tank (except the same guy that<BR>snipers from the tower
;-))<BR><BR>I ran the same config on a 2xDual Pent 2.4Ghz HT, 1GB, 100Mbs,
and it lags<BR>badly. CPU on the 3.2 is 50-60%. CPU on the 2.4 is
70-75%-80% but one<BR>CPU of the two, the other sitting there, shares once
in a while, but otherwise is idle.<BR><BR>A bit perplexing, but perhaps I
am indeed hitting the CPU limit on the one processor...<BR><BR>David
Fuess, if you recall his post on 12/2 stated he is running 3 UO
server on one machine along with several other game types (1 UT2k4, 3
SOF2, 3-WET, 3 COD, 1 CSS) and showed the IP's, etc, and it seems to check
out. (3 are private others public)... See
below:<BR><BR><BR>Md<BR><BR>From: David A. Fuess [<A
href="mailto:david@fuess.net"
eudora="autourl">mailto:david@fuess.net</A>]<BR>Sent: Thursday, December
02, 2004 2:27 PM<BR>To: cod@icculus.org<BR>Subject: Re: [cod] Multiple
service server + Going off list due to<BR>"spamming"<BR><BR>I run 3 UO
servers on one machine along with several other game types<BR>(1-UT2k4,
3-SOF2, 3-WET, 3 COD:UO, 1-CSS)<BR><BR>Team Judge UT2004 67.18.122.226
7777 10000 24 8 ut4s xCTFGame CTF-SMOTE<BR>Team Judge Public CTF
67.18.122.226 20100 15000 30 0 sof2s ctf mp_kam4<BR>Team Judge Public
Custom 67.18.122.226 20200 15000 30 0 sof2s ctf mp_Italy3<BR>Team Judge
L337 Match Server 67.18.122.226 20300 10000 20 0 sof2s
ctf<BR>arioche/mp_small<BR>Team Judge 9 Map Campaign ETPro 3.0
67.18.122.227 27960 25000 28 1 ets et<BR>supplydepot<BR>Team Judge
Custom/Stock 67.18.122.227 27961 100000 28 0 ets et oasis<BR>Team Judge
Match Server 67.18.122.227 27962 15000 18 0 ets et battery<BR>Team Judge
L337 COD/UO Server 67.18.122.228 28960 25000 24 5 cods
tdm<BR>mp_saint-rush<BR>Team Judge L337 COD/UO CTF-HQ 67.18.122.228 28961
25000 24 0 cods ctf<BR>mp_cassino<BR>Team Judge L337 COD/UO Match
67.18.122.228 28962 25000 24 0 cods dom<BR>mp_arnhem<BR>Team Judge L337
HL2 CS 67.18.122.229 27015 - 24 0 hl2s cs_italy<BR><BR>You see the three
UO servers are on ports 28960, 28961, and 28962. Each<BR>game is a
separate install on Linux so the connection is defined uniquely<BR>for
each.<BR><BR>Dave<BR><BR><BR>At 10:08 PM 12/23/2004, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=arial size=2>I can
give you a link so you can dl my entire setup. Should take you 12
minutes ...<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>I use that one
script for my daemon customers... and add a screen command for the
customers that like to switch from mod to mod.<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT
face=arial size=2>I don't allow downloads straight from the servers.
Every config file has a redirect so all the customers can grab whatever
maps we have at <A href="http://www.codmaps.net">www.codmaps.net</A>
.<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Let me know if you want my
set up. I also use <BR></FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE><X-SIGSEP>
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