[ut2003io] AMD Systems

Peter Kemmerer qapete at beyondunreal.com
Wed Nov 20 20:41:54 EST 2002

I've had the same problem, and have discussed it with Ryan, Daniel, and
a very nice fellow from nVidia offlist for awhile.  I'm running 2.4.19
on an AMD 1800XP system, motherboard uses the VIA KT333 chipset,
VisionTek Ti4600, have tried AGPGART and nvidia drivers, various apeture
sizes, mem=nopentium enabled, yada, yada, yada.  Here are the main
points of our discussion and examination:

1)  With AGP on, any settings, UT 2003 always crashes the box hard,
eventually.  Sometimes I get a game in, sometimes not.

2)  Quake 3, UT and Tribes 2, as well as all other OpenGL games I tried,
like TuxRacer et al, work fine with AGP on, both AGPGART and nvidia.

3)  With AGP disabled, UT 2003 runs without crashing, but as you might
expect, it runs so slowly in most levels that it's unplayable.

4)  I installed Windows on this box to see if UT 2003 would run.  Ran in
both D3D and OpenGL without crashing.  I subsequently uninstalled
Windows, bemem=nopentiumcause I can't tolerate Windows.  ;-)

5)  nVidia states unequivically that their QA has tested UT 2003 on AMD
systems using my chipset under Linux and all is well.  They were not
able to pin a cause down for the lockups, but suggested it might be the
specific VIA chipset revision I have.

So, running BeyondUnreal and not being able to play UT 2003 at all, I've
decided to migrate to a P4-2.4B, an Intel Desktop motherboard and
reinstall my OS.  I'll probably dual-boot this time, as Unreal 2 is not
planning a Linux release.  My feeling is that UT 2003 is stressing the
AGP bus to the point where it's exposing a weakness in how the Linux
kernel handles either the AGP bus on a VIA KT333 chipset and/or the
processor itself.  I believe that because I can run UT 2003 just fine if
I install Windows on this very same box, and because many of you have
been able to run UT 2003 just fine on some Linux boxes.

I should say that, at the risk of sounding like I'm kissing some
Epic/nVidia butt, everyone involved gave it the old 'college try', and
it was much appreciated.  I'm fairly discouraged, though, because my
system is 'nothing special', yet I'm unable to run UT 2003 under Linux. 
I am very hopeful that Ryan, Daniel, nVidia and people like Alan Cox and
Linus himself get a dialog going to help improve gaming under Linux. 
Everyone on this list is Linux gamer, and I don't have to tell you how
important getting Linux gaming up to snuff is



On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 20:22, Gerardo Pirla Diaz wrote:
> Ian Hastie wrote:
> > Gerardo Pirla Diaz wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I've got an Atholon 1600+. I'm using a RH-8.0 updated kernel 
> >> 2.4.18-10 with a NVIDIA TI4200 with the drivers version 1.0-3123, and 
> >> UT2k3 Kirks everytime. 
> >
> >
> >
> > Not wishing to sound too think, but "Kirks"?!!!!!!!
> >
> > Ian.
> Hi Ian,
> I don't speak/write english very good, maybe "crashes" it's a better word ??
> I'm Spanish and i think "crashes" is like "kirks" !!

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