[ut3] Official release date

Slavik Goltser slavikg at gmail.com
Fri Feb 6 14:59:18 EST 2009


BTW, as far as WINE ... I personally have great respect for the people
working on WINE, but I do not think that anyone should be looking at WINE as
a way to make Windows the common denomenator. WINE, in my opinion is a
hack/workaround to have windows software run on *nix, it is not a solution.
The solution is native software made for the platform. I think of WINE as
WINE-legacy, while WINE-current would be the native software.

WINE is in the same boat as OS/2 and DrDOS. They, too, could run Windows
software ... and then Microsoft broke their API specifically so that they
were the only ones who knew what is going on.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Sir Brizz <sir.brizz at gmail.com> wrote:

>  It's no problem, sorry I was an ass. :)
>
> Brizz
>
>
> On 2/6/09 12:53 PM, Slavik Goltser wrote:
>
> oh ... apologies. :(
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Sir Brizz <sir.brizz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think you should have read past the first sentance before clicking
>> "Reply". :p
>>
>> And I quote:
>> "Actually, Linux is fine for games, games are simply not made for Linux.
>> So if you're a PC gamer, anything but Windows is not a choice (and if you
>> say Wine works great, I'll slap you)."
>>
>>  Here, let me take this down to the absolute basics so you can understand.
>>
>> Linux is PERFECTLY SUITABLE for games. Games (IN GENERAL) are NOT MADE for
>> Linux. WINDOWS is the only platform ALL MODERN PC GAMES are MADE FOR.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>> Brizz
>>
>> On 2/6/09 12:47 PM, Slavik Goltser wrote:
>>
>> Please explain how Linux is not suitable for games. You're a moron, but I
>> won't back this statement up because somehow if you are kept being called a
>> moron it is suddenly true. Please explain your statement that Linux is not
>> suitable for games, I am really interested in your reasons for that
>> statement.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Sir Brizz <sir.brizz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Linux is not suitable for games. Actually, Linux is fine for games,
>>> games are simply not made for Linux. So if you're a PC gamer, anything but
>>> Windows is not a choice (and if you say Wine works great, I'll slap you).
>>>
>>> Now, I do have to admit a little guilt in responding here, because I knew
>>> all you guys like to bitch and moan anytime someone comes in here that
>>> doesn't agree with you, but sorry. The reality of this situation is that you
>>> are bitter and want to blame someone other than yourselves. This is really
>>> more like if you called up the dealership, asked if the car had GPS, told no
>>> but it should be released free at some point in the future, bought the car
>>> anyway and then proceeded to complain that the GPS was still not out after a
>>> year. You bought the car despite the fact that it was missing the one thing
>>> you wanted it for, you're the one to blame in that scenario.
>>>
>>> Brizz
>>>
>>> On 2/6/09 10:39 AM, [FnG] Lambik wrote:
>>>
>>> The person that told 'It has GPS in it' happens to be the salesperson,
>>> and then yes you can expect to have GPS in it !
>>> Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make, but seems to me your
>>> only business here is to stir thing up,
>>> as you have state to play games on windows only.(Linux not suitable ??)
>>> Pre ordering a game has the risk of getting something that isn't quite
>>> what you expect of it, but in this case there has been promised support for
>>> linux OS aswell.
>>> Epic has the reputation to support linux on all UT series, which has
>>> formed a good basis of trust, which they have broken, and that is why ppl
>>> are upset with EPIC.
>>> That is something they have every right to.
>>>
>>> Lambik
>>>
>>>  On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Sir Brizz <sir.brizz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For what? They didn't market UT3 as having Linux binaries included or
>>>> available.
>>>>
>>>> The problem here is that Epic never guaranteed anything. I appreciate
>>>> you wanting brand new boxes or whatever your case may be, however that
>>>> doesn't change the fact that you bought something that didn't include the
>>>> sole thing you bought it for. Can you imagine, taking this same thing to a
>>>> more terrible and surely less appropriate analogy, if you bought a car
>>>> because someone said it had GPS in it, never test drove it, and realized
>>>> after purchasing it that it didn't have GPS in it? Would you blame the
>>>> person who told you or yourself for not looking into it more?
>>>>
>>>> I understand that people wanted and were expecting and (possibly)
>>>> promised Linux binaries and are upset, but, frankly, you DON'T have anyone
>>>> to blame but yourself if you paid the money for it already. Did Epic make
>>>> you spend that money? YOU were encouraged by what they said, YOU made a
>>>> decision, and YOU spent the money.
>>>>
>>>> Brizz
>>>>
>>>> On 2/6/09 10:14 AM, Luiz Gustavo Angelo wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Epic could be sued by this, couldn't ??
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Matthias Bach <marix at marix.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday 06 February 2009 17:57:02 Sir Brizz wrote:
>>>>> > And for those of you whining about how you bought the game and
>>>>> haven't
>>>>> > played it because there is no Linux client, sorry but maybe you
>>>>> should
>>>>> > have waited to buy it until there actually was the only thing you
>>>>> were
>>>>> > buying it for? That seems like the practical thing to do in any
>>>>> > situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>  You are missing the point. When I ordered the game there had been a
>>>>> statement
>>>>> by Epic that there would be a Linux-Installer on disc, as it had been
>>>>> with
>>>>> 2K4. Later they said it wouldn't be on disk, but available on the day
>>>>> of
>>>>> release. Therefore, as I kind of like to have nice game boxes that I
>>>>> can show
>>>>> of, I did not bother to cancel my preorder. The problem is that I
>>>>> trusted Epic
>>>>> to keep to their promises.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Did you buy Prey the day it came out hoping that Ryan Gordon
>>>>> > would release a Linux binary for it, too?
>>>>>
>>>>>  No I didn't, because nobody promised that Prey would be ported. When
>>>>> it
>>>>> finally was ported this was a pleasent surprise.
>>>>>
>>>>> > If you want to be a thrifty
>>>>> > consumer, then be thrifty. And if you aren't thrifty, don't whine
>>>>> that
>>>>> > you made a mistake and try to blame it on Epic or anyone else. You
>>>>> don't
>>>>> > have anyone to blame but yourselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Maybe I have, but then it is not for expecting Epic to make a port,
>>>>> but for
>>>>> trusting Epic to deliver the software I ordered.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Personally, I'm sure a Linux binary will eventually come out for UT3
>>>>> and
>>>>> > when it does I will probably use it.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Maybe it will, after all it's already supposed to be done. The real
>>>>> question
>>>>> is, will their still body to play against. Will the engine still be
>>>>> something
>>>>> competitive to base your mods on? By the time it will probably take one
>>>>> could
>>>>> just as well start writing an own engine ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Luiz Gustavo Angelo
>>>> T: +55 11 75452244
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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