[cod] cod Digest, Vol 8, Issue 36

Sun Oct 18 12:58:25 EDT 2009

Well Peer to Peer may work well in the console arena, but it's not going to
work with PC gamers.

IW knows that.

Peer to Peer doesn't generate any more revenues; the difference has to be
marginal.  Every real player (as opposed to server instances) already has a
copy of the game (let's just presume they are legitimate buys).  But forcing
a copy to be purchased for the server would be a viable option.  Hard to
enforce, but clans wouldn't balk at this.  hell - we are paying minimum of
$30/mo per instance just to host anyway.  But the number of server instance
out there wouldn't even be a blip in the revenue numbers.  Say 10,000
instances at $65, about half mill.  I understand them not wanting to support
the server businses ... it doesn't make sense financially.  but don't block
it ... if it ain't broke don't fix it.

With this decision, PC sales are going to be so marginal, they'll have the
test case to say, "See - PC sales have declined big time, now it doesn't
make sense for us to offer the PC version."  So as PC gamers we'll have two
choices, a) stop playing games or b) just cave and go the console route.
This whole strategy is banking that players in the long run will end up on
consoles.  Guess who benefits.  I'm stating the obvious here.

Guys - this is a power grab; but I guess we knew that.

Dark days guys.  LOL I'm not going to console.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Colton English <colt.n.english at gmail.com>wrote:

> I think that Acti know that it makes more money from peer servers and
> Microsoft servers (as you must own the game) rather than officially
> supported third party Linux boxes.  Therefor spending money for third
> party host that don't have to purchase a game per server is futile.  I
> also don't think that put much more than the standard effort into
> keeping from being reverse engineered knowing that some LINUX geek aka
> Ryan will port the thing.  Why spend money you don't have to.  I think
> Infinity Ward would much rather pay a linux developer to port their
> server prior to launch.  IW has a lot of pride in this game vs.
> Activision's monetary desires.  To be honest I think that emailing the
> right person at IW would get some swift results in your favor.
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Caleb Stephens <csteph9 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Guys - this is a long term M$ grab at GSP hosting fees.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > Organize and go to the DOJ.
> >
> > I'd be very interested to see the agreement between M$ and Acti/IW.
> >
> > Nobody/company in their right mind would drop support for an entire
> segement
> > of the game without some hefty incentive.  I wonder where that incentive
> is
> > coming from????
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >>   1. Re: Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC (Petr Jelinek)
> >>   2. Re: Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
> >>      (Richard GrosJean)
> >>   3. Re: Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
> >>      (Thomas Toka / www.serverman.de)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:51:43 +0200
> >> From: Petr Jelinek <pjmodos at seznam.cz>
> >> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
> >> To: "Call of Duty server admin list." <cod at icculus.org>
> >> Message-ID: <4ADB2B7F.6030409 at seznam.cz>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed
> >>
> >> Christian Gerbrandt napsal(a):
> >> > I followed the email thread here, and also listened to the webcast.
> >> > There are some major changes in the way online multiplayer is used for
> >> > MW2.
> >> > But may I also point you to another game, which made almost the same
> >> > changes, and is more popular then before?
> >> >
> >> > Quake Live
> >> >
> >> > I know you can't really compare QL with MW2, but to some extend you
> can.
> >> > Id has taken the step, and took their whole gaming experience into the
> >> > webbrowser.
> >> > Obviously, you can't host a dedicated Server anymore. That is all done
> >> > by
> >> > id.
> >> > They host everything.
> >> >
> >> > The point here is, the community is playing it, a lot.
> >> > It is played on a professional level in big tournaments.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Not the same, id came to big GSPs (and ISPs with game hosting
> >> experience) and rented servers from them on which they run/manage/admin
> >> QL.
> >>
> >> If MW2 has console style system, which would mean users running listen
> >> servers on their home machine with their home internet connection then
> >> that's completely different scenario.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards
> >> Petr Jelinek (PJMODOS)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:24:02 +0300
> >> From: Richard GrosJean <richard.grosjean at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
> >> To: "Call of Duty server admin list." <cod at icculus.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> >>        <136e6bbf0910180824r192f094haa9b57f264174d38 at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> You have got a nice ball rolling, sir.
> >>
> >> What happens next though? Does Ryan C. Gordon beam down, snap his
> fingers
> >> and release Linux bins? :-D
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 AM, James Landi <jim at landi.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > First let me say that I will not be hosting or releasing any files for
> >> > MW2,
> >> >  With the lack of any response or support from IW or Activision I see
> no
> >> > reason to support them with my bandwidth, community or access.  Hell
> >> > after
> >> > my public comments I may not have access to these files anymore, but
> >> > that's
> >> > fine I can move on to other games and or hobbies rather quickly.
>  Sorry
> >> > there's no kissing ass on my end.
> >> >
> >> > I've already informed my community that MW2 is a "must wait for patch"
> >> > title and not to pre-order or purchase on day one.
> >> >
> >> > Not sure if any GSPs are pre-renting MW2 servers but you should be
> very
> >> > careful and watch yourselves.  With the lack of any real PC related
> >> > information, worst then any past Call of Duty title to date, I can
> only
> >> > feel
> >> > that we are in for a very bumpy road as well as some very bad
> headaches.
> >> > If there's any type of dedicated server in the box, you already know
> >> > it's
> >> > going to be Windows only, for god knows how long.  That combined with
> >> > unreleased system specs for the clients means they don't know what or
> >> > how
> >> > it's going to run.
> >> > Then there is this whole rumor about the PC version being delayed.
>  It's
> >> > been close to 2 weeks now and Activision, IW and or 402 have yet to
> >> > confirm
> >> > or deny the rumors in public.   That can only mean they are trying to
> >> > rush
> >> > what ever they have out the door.  Unfortunately we'll have to pay for
> >> > their
> >> > rushing a product that unlike past Call of duty titles from IW their
> >> > hearts
> >> > are not in it this time.  Which means for us, a buggy game with many
> >> > unsolved issues when it's released.
> >> >
> >> > With the lack of any information or simply communications from IW in
> >> > regards to the PC side of this game so close to release, what make
> >> > anyone
> >> > think that we'll get the support after the game ships?
> >> >
> >> > Sorry for my rant Rudedog out.
> >> >
> >> > Jim Landi
> >> > Rudedog
> >> > FPSadmin.com
> >> > Microsoft MVP, Games for Windows
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Richard GrosJean
> >> richard.grosjean at gmail.com
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> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:51:52 +0200
> >> From: "Thomas Toka / www.serverman.de" <webmaster at serverman.de>
> >> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
> >> To: "Call of Duty server admin list." <cod at icculus.org>
> >> Message-ID: <4ADB3998.2070002 at serverman.de>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >>
> >> He is surely under NDA again or really did not know. Otherwise he would
> >> have told us.
> >>
> >> Kind Regards to all those business guys who planned this disaster:
> >>
> >> http://www.coflash.com/stuff/iw.gif
> >>
> >> The picture made my day. Usually i dont like this abusive stuff but it
> >> fits 100% .
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> Richard GrosJean wrote:
> >> > You have got a nice ball rolling, sir.
> >> >
> >> > What happens next though? Does Ryan C. Gordon beam down, snap his
> >> > fingers and release Linux bins? :-D
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 AM, James Landi <jim at landi.net
> >> > <mailto:jim at landi.net>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >     First let me say that I will not be hosting or releasing any files
> >> >     for MW2,  With the lack of any response or support from IW or
> >> >     Activision I see no reason to support them with my bandwidth,
> >> >     community or access.  Hell after my public comments I may not have
> >> >     access to these files anymore, but that's fine I can move on to
> >> >     other games and or hobbies rather quickly.  Sorry there's no
> >> >     kissing ass on my end.
> >> >
> >> >     I've already informed my community that MW2 is a "must wait for
> >> >     patch" title and not to pre-order or purchase on day one.
> >> >
> >> >     Not sure if any GSPs are pre-renting MW2 servers but you should be
> >> >     very careful and watch yourselves.  With the lack of any real PC
> >> >     related information, worst then any past Call of Duty title to
> >> >     date, I can only feel that we are in for a very bumpy road as well
> >> >     as some very bad headaches.
> >> >     If there's any type of dedicated server in the box, you already
> >> >     know it's going to be Windows only, for god knows how long.  That
> >> >     combined with unreleased system specs for the clients means they
> >> >     don't know what or how it's going to run.
> >> >     Then there is this whole rumor about the PC version being delayed.
> >> >      It's been close to 2 weeks now and Activision, IW and or 402 have
> >> >     yet to confirm or deny the rumors in public.   That can only mean
> >> >     they are trying to rush what ever they have out the door.
> >> >      Unfortunately we'll have to pay for their rushing a product that
> >> >     unlike past Call of duty titles from IW their hearts are not in it
> >> >     this time.  Which means for us, a buggy game with many unsolved
> >> >     issues when it's released.
> >> >
> >> >     With the lack of any information or simply communications from IW
> >> >     in regards to the PC side of this game so close to release, what
> >> >     make anyone think that we'll get the support after the game ships?
> >> >
> >> >     Sorry for my rant Rudedog out.
> >> >
> >> >     Jim Landi
> >> >     Rudedog
> >> >     FPSadmin.com
> >> >     Microsoft MVP, Games for Windows
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Richard GrosJean
> >> > richard.grosjean at gmail.com <mailto:richard.grosjean at gmail.com>
> >> >
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