Oh, please, not again. We've paid for a Windows version of UT3 (it was said so on the DVD case, etc.), and we've got it. There was no Linux version pre-order, there's nothing to talk about.<div><br></div><div>I really wish to know why did such thing happen, but I don't think that there is a legal power to find this out.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/10 David L. Willson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DLWillson@thegeek.nu" target="_blank">DLWillson@thegeek.nu</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">I don't think Ceil cares about knowing what that problem was as much as he just wants the code, so we can finally play the MF'ing game.<br>
<br>For those that care about finding out what the problem was, there ~is~ a way to find out, but you have to care enough to invest some time and effort. We'd have to start a class-action lawsuit, based on the $50 damages you each incurred when you purchased the game based on Mark Rein's false claim that there would be a Linux version. Then the emails and what-all can be subpoena'd, and you'd get to see who decided that it wasn't worth the work to replace the legally encumbered part that they were dumb enough to build into it, in the first place.<br>
<br>Y'know, if they'd build the Linux version first, and then port to Windows, it'd be a LOT simpler.<br><br>David L. Willson<br>Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast<br>MCT MSCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP<br>
tel://720.333.LANS<br>Freeing people from the tyranny (or whatevery) of Microsofty-ness<br><br>----- "robin van ee" <<a href="mailto:robinvanee@bananasoft.tk" target="_blank">robinvanee@bananasoft.tk</a>> wrote:
<br>> Yeah, I really want to know what that problem was now.<br>> <br>> <div class="gmail_quote">> 2010/9/10 Ceil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ceil420@gmail.com" target="_blank">ceil420@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<p>My kingdom for Ryan's hard drive! :(</p>
<p>On Sep 10, 2010 1:06 AM, "Keith Z-G" <<a href="mailto:keithzg@gmail.com" target="_blank">keithzg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > The exact quote from Ryan about the middleware holding things up (I<br>
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> found it via google because I remembered one of the exact phrases he<br>> > said, and then just searched for exactly that and "Ryan Gordon").<br>> > <br>> > <a href="http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?/topic/43994-ut-3-for-linux/page__view__findpost__p__335129?s=5a35f00fa3cde4967f5f84b1ef913102" target="_blank">http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?/topic/43994-ut-3-for-linux/page__view__findpost__p__335129?s=5a35f00fa3cde4967f5f84b1ef913102</a><br>
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> <br>> > Here's the text of the post for those lazy / for future reference:<br>> > <br>> > ===================================================<br>> > <br>> > Posted 21 November 2007 - 04:15 PM<br>
> > <br>> > sorry but ... linux version of UT3 maybe not on this year<br>>
> <br>> > While hanging out on IRC, I asked the big question of the day, "Has<br>> > anyone heard from Icculus on the UT3 server or client?" Here's the<br>> > dialog that resulted from the question:<br>
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> <br>> > <icculus> it's stuck in legal<br>> > <augustus> Legal? Seriously? Have you had legal involved in previous games?<br>> > <icculus> Not like this, no<br>> > <icculus> There's some issues with middleware<br>
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> <augustus> so is the hold-up indefinite?<br>> > <icculus> augustus: not indefinite<br>> > <icculus> augustus: the politics should be worked out for the server<br>> > soon, I'm removing the offending piece of code.<br>
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> <augustus> icculus: And the client?<br>> > <icculus> augustus: that's going to take somewhat longer<br>> > <augustus> icculus: From the sound of it, there is no ETA then?<br>> > <icculus> augustus: I'm not committing to one<br>
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> <augustus> icculus: I understand. Seems like it's quite out of your hands.<br>> > <icculus> If I told you what the specific problem is, you wouldn't believe me<br>> > * icculus declines to say more. :)<br>
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> <br>> > And, while I had his attention, I had to ask: "Are you doing a Gears<br>> > of War port?"<br>> > <icculus> augustus: for Mac OS X, yes.<br>> > <augustus> icculus: Linux no then?<br>
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> <icculus> augustus: There's something about a Linux port that the<br>>
> Gears publisher doesn't like...can't quite put my finger on it...<br>> > <augustus> icculus: I was afraid of that.<br>> > <augustus> icculus: Funny that Mac isn't a competitor but Linux is.<br>
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> <icculus> I don't speak for Microsoft, but I assume it's just company<br>> > policy to not do anything Linux related.<br>> > <br>> > :(<br>> > <br>> > ===============================================<br>
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> <br>> > A slightly personal note: What I guess was some time ago, Ryan ported<br>> > Prey over to Linux. I had bought Prey but, after playing it a tad,<br>> > never finished it since I couldn't really bring myself to boot into<br>
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> Windows. His port of Prey gave me the opportunity to actually play<br>> > through the game I had bought without having to basically disconnect<br>> > (via booting into Windows) the central point of my home network, ie. I<br>
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> actually got around to playing through it. Without Ryan's work I<br>> > would have wasted my money in buying that game. I sent him off an<br>> > e-mail thanking him, and he responded promptly and positively. If<br>
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> there's any fundamental tragedy here it's that Ryan's work on UT3 has<br>> > been lost----he's a good guy as far as I can tell, and a hell of a<br>> > programmer, but because of absurd legal permutations his work is never<br>
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> going to see the light of day, and we're never going to get to enjoy<br>> > it. It's a fucking shame, and I don't believe for a second that Ryan<br>> > is at any fault here; he's been screwed over just like the rest of us.<br>
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> <br>> > But hey, we've got a hell of an off-topic discussion board out of it! ;)<br>> > <br>> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Ryan Barton <<a href="mailto:debian.moment@gmail.com" target="_blank">debian.moment@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Ah yes sorry I was fuzzy on the details<br>> >><br>> >> On 09/08/2010 09:05 AM, Valeriy wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> If you mean this<br>> >> <a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI1OA" target="_blank">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI1OA</a><br>
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>> Then it's not Mark Rein, but, yeah, it's canned for a long time anyway.<br>> >> Though I wish Epic could say "never" instead of "unlikely" :(<br>> >><br>> >> 2010/9/8 Ryan Barton <<a href="mailto:debian.moment@gmail.com" target="_blank">debian.moment@gmail.com</a>><br>
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>>><br>> >>> For those of you who missed it, mark rein told phoronix ut3 for linux is<br>> >>> canned. Phoronix likes to make things up but this time I believe him.<br>> >>><br>
> >>> On Sep 8, 2010 12:41 AM, "Daniel Eckl" <<a href="mailto:daniel.eckl@gmx.de" target="_blank">daniel.eckl@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br>>
>>><br>> >>> In this case, you failed epically. Never saw such a great discussion<br>> >>> on this list with good infos and great mood.<br>> >>><br>> >>> 2010/9/8 Clayton <<a href="mailto:wellsfrago@gmail.com" target="_blank">wellsfrago@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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>>><br>> >>> > I am very entertained that I started this stupid flare up<br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________ ut3 mailing list<br>> >>> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a> <a href="http://icculus.org/." target="_blank">http://icculus.org/.</a>..<br>
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