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Hehe, I would expect opposition from him, as such a lawsuit would
drive up cost barriers to future development, thereby slowing the
progress toward the long term goal. IMO, one lost battle in the war
is not worth dredging up years later to poison the whole potential
industry of Linux gaming, all just so that X of us can get a hope
for a coupon for the purchase price on Epic's next Linux-unsupported
title (which is often the way these class actions get settled out of
court, along with big checks in the pockets of all the lawyers
involved).<br>
<br>
Admittedly, my skepticism about class actions is derived from my US
bias, so YMMV in other jurisdictions... ;)<br>
<br>
-Rob<br>
<br>
On 09/10/10 13:06, David L. Willson wrote:
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rgb(0, 0, 0);">You mean building the Linux version first, to
avoid legal issues later? How could that be bad?<br>
<br>
Oh, you mean suing for damages... Good luck getting Icculus to
discuss it!<br>
<br>
David L. Willson<br>
Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast<br>
MCT MSCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1 NovellCLA UbuntuCP<br>
tel://720.333.LANS<br>
Freeing people from the tyranny (or whatevery) of
Microsofty-ness<br>
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<p>I'd be very interested to know what Ryan's take on
that approach would be. (ie, is it good for Linux
gaming in general?)<br>
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<hr size="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span>
</b> David L. Willson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:DLWillson@TheGeek.NU"><DLWillson@TheGeek.NU></a>; <br>
> <b> <span style="">To:</span> </b> UT3 mailing
list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org"><ut3@icculus.org></a>; <br>
> <b> <span style="">Subject:</span> </b> Re:
[ut3] hey <br>
> <b> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span>
</b> Fri, Sep 10, 2010 9:57:50 AM <br>
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<div style="font-family: Times New Roman;
font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">> I
don't think Ceil cares about knowing what that
problem was as much as he just wants the code,
so we can finally play the MF'ing game.<br>
> <br>
> For those that care about finding out what
the problem was, there ~is~ a way to find out,
but you have to care enough to invest some time
and effort. We'd have to start a class-action
lawsuit, based on the $50 damages you each
incurred when you purchased the game based on
Mark Rein's false claim that there would be a
Linux version. Then the emails and what-all can
be subpoena'd, and you'd get to see who decided
that it wasn't worth the work to replace the
legally encumbered part that they were dumb
enough to build into it, in the first place.<br>
> <br>
> Y'know, if they'd build the Linux version
first, and then port to Windows, it'd be a LOT
simpler.<br>
> <br>
> David L. Willson<br>
> Trainer, Engineer, Enthusiast<br>
> MCT MSCE Network+ A+ Linux+ LPIC-1
NovellCLA UbuntuCP<br>
> tel://720.333.LANS<br>
> Freeing people from the tyranny (or
whatevery) of Microsofty-ness<br>
> <br>
> ----- "robin van ee"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:robinvanee@bananasoft.tk"><robinvanee@bananasoft.tk></a> wrote:
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> > Yeah, I really want to know what that
problem was now.<br>
> > <br>
> >
<div class="gmail_quote">> > 2010/9/10
Ceil <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p>My kingdom for Ryan's hard drive! :(</p>
<p>On Sep 10, 2010 1:06 AM, "Keith Z-G" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:keithzg@gmail.com">keithzg@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > > The exact quote from Ryan
about the middleware holding things up (I<br>
> > > found it via google because
I remembered one of the exact phrases he<br>
> > > said, and then just
searched for exactly that and "Ryan
Gordon").<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?/topic/43994-ut-3-for-linux/page__view__findpost__p__335129?s=5a35f00fa3cde4967f5f84b1ef913102">http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?/topic/43994-ut-3-for-linux/page__view__findpost__p__335129?s=5a35f00fa3cde4967f5f84b1ef913102</a><br>
> > > <br>
> > > Here's the text of the post
for those lazy / for future reference:<br>
> > > <br>
> > >
===================================================<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Posted 21 November 2007 -
04:15 PM<br>
> > > <br>
> > > sorry but ... linux version
of UT3 maybe not on this year<br>
> > > <br>
> > > While hanging out on IRC, I
asked the big question of the day, "Has<br>
> > > anyone heard from Icculus
on the UT3 server or client?" Here's the<br>
> > > dialog that resulted from
the question:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <icculus> it's stuck
in legal<br>
> > > <augustus> Legal?
Seriously? Have you had legal involved in
previous games?<br>
> > > <icculus> Not like
this, no<br>
> > > <icculus> There's
some issues with middleware<br>
> > > <augustus> so is the
hold-up indefinite?<br>
> > > <icculus> augustus:
not indefinite<br>
> > > <icculus> augustus:
the politics should be worked out for the
server<br>
> > > soon, I'm removing the
offending piece of code.<br>
> > > <augustus> icculus:
And the client?<br>
> > > <icculus> augustus:
that's going to take somewhat longer<br>
> > > <augustus> icculus:
From the sound of it, there is no ETA
then?<br>
> > > <icculus> augustus:
I'm not committing to one<br>
> > > <augustus> icculus: I
understand. Seems like it's quite out of
your hands.<br>
> > > <icculus> If I told
you what the specific problem is, you
wouldn't believe me<br>
> > > * icculus declines to say
more. :)<br>
> > > <br>
> > > And, while I had his
attention, I had to ask: "Are you doing a
Gears<br>
> > > of War port?"<br>
> > > <icculus> augustus:
for Mac OS X, yes.<br>
> > > <augustus> icculus:
Linux no then?<br>
> > > <icculus> augustus:
There's something about a Linux port that
the<br>
> > > Gears publisher doesn't
like...can't quite put my finger on it...<br>
> > > <augustus> icculus: I
was afraid of that.<br>
> > > <augustus> icculus:
Funny that Mac isn't a competitor but
Linux is.<br>
> > > <icculus> I don't
speak for Microsoft, but I assume it's
just company<br>
> > > policy to not do anything
Linux related.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > :(<br>
> > > <br>
> > >
===============================================<br>
> > > <br>
> > > A slightly personal note:
What I guess was some time ago, Ryan
ported<br>
> > > Prey over to Linux. I had
bought Prey but, after playing it a tad,<br>
> > > never finished it since I
couldn't really bring myself to boot into<br>
> > > Windows. His port of Prey
gave me the opportunity to actually play<br>
> > > through the game I had
bought without having to basically
disconnect<br>
> > > (via booting into Windows)
the central point of my home network, ie.
I<br>
> > > actually got around to
playing through it. Without Ryan's work I<br>
> > > would have wasted my money
in buying that game. I sent him off an<br>
> > > e-mail thanking him, and he
responded promptly and positively. If<br>
> > > there's any fundamental
tragedy here it's that Ryan's work on UT3
has<br>
> > > been lost----he's a good
guy as far as I can tell, and a hell of a<br>
> > > programmer, but because of
absurd legal permutations his work is
never<br>
> > > going to see the light of
day, and we're never going to get to enjoy<br>
> > > it. It's a fucking shame,
and I don't believe for a second that Ryan<br>
> > > is at any fault here; he's
been screwed over just like the rest of
us.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > But hey, we've got a hell
of an off-topic discussion board out of
it! ;)<br>
> > > <br>
> > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:17
PM, Ryan Barton <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
target="_blank"
href="mailto:debian.moment@gmail.com">debian.moment@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >> Ah yes sorry I was
fuzzy on the details<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> On 09/08/2010 09:05 AM,
Valeriy wrote:<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> If you mean this<br>
> > >> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI1OA">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI1OA</a><br>
> > >> Then it's not Mark
Rein, but, yeah, it's canned for a long
time anyway.<br>
> > >> Though I wish Epic
could say "never" instead of "unlikely" :(<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> 2010/9/8 Ryan Barton
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="mailto:debian.moment@gmail.com">debian.moment@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> For those of you
who missed it, mark rein told phoronix ut3
for linux is<br>
> > >>> canned. Phoronix
likes to make things up but this time I
believe him.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> On Sep 8, 2010
12:41 AM, "Daniel Eckl" <<a
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target="_blank"
href="mailto:daniel.eckl@gmx.de">daniel.eckl@gmx.de</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> In this case, you
failed epically. Never saw such a great
discussion<br>
> > >>> on this list with
good infos and great mood.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> 2010/9/8 Clayton
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="mailto:wellsfrago@gmail.com">wellsfrago@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> > I am very
entertained that I started this stupid
flare up<br>
> > >>><br>
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