Someone remove Undead from this list so we can all shut up peacefully.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 7:55 AM, cdx <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:codex@grytz.net">codex@grytz.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Not everyone has steam installed, right? [whisper] It's Spyware ...
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Another
ATi lover? <a href="http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/" target="_blank">http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/</a>
< Proof that ATi is dead maybe?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">God
I said i'll quit with the posting as this list isn't the
place for arguing about silly stuff like this....</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Not
that it matters guys, UT3 will NEVER COME OUT ON LINUX! Ryan
finished it a good year ago! Accept that it'll never come out and
un-subscribe!</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> =TG=McRag [<a href="mailto:harryrag@true-gamers.nl" target="_blank">mailto:harryrag@true-gamers.nl</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 14:24<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been
delayed</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Seen enough of your stuff, added to spamfilter, bye bye</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> UndeadDevil's Shadow
[<a href="mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net" target="_blank">mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> maandag 23 februari 2009 15:00<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been
delayed</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
didn't say that, ATi until a year or so ago had ZERO linux
support, unlike nVidia! This is a fact.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">My
attitude, is bad, i'm sorry for this, but I wish people would
see ATi and AMD for the washed up crap they are.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This
isn't the place for this, so i'll quit. Here's hoping we
actually get a UT3 Linux Client (Get the message guys, it aint going to
happen
– Though I hope I Can eat my own words....)</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> Daniel Hunt [<a href="mailto:daniel.hunt@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:daniel.hunt@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 13:56<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been
delayed</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Well, I've yet to
see anyone
reply to him to argue with him about it. He's just assuming that anyone
that
thinks ill of him also believes that ATI walk around in gold slippers.</p>
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<p>On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Kingster <<a href="mailto:kingster@unrealplayground.com" target="_blank">kingster@unrealplayground.com</a>>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Does it really
matter? The chumps holding on to the ATI/Nvidia fight, or the
AMD/Intel
fight need to move on. As far as I can tell, you're the only one
around
doing that "UndeadDevil's Shadow". Who cares. If
AMD/ATI is dead, then so be it, but we don't need you telling us. I
think
what the argument was is that ATI has done a better job of opening
their
drivers up for the Linux community than has Nvidia, and then you go
spouting
all this crap. Thanks! We would have never realized that we needed
to pipe your drivel to /dev/null without it. And Duke3D on 10Base2?
I was running an ISP at that time. But, congrats. I'm surprised
you've lived this long, especially with that attitude.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">There are plenty of
good people that are listening here, for something other than what
you're
spouting.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">So. Now…
Either contribute something useful to the list, or STFU. Please.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> UndeadDevil's Shadow [mailto:<a href="mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net" target="_blank">shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 23, 2009 7:42 AM</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been
delayed</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">God, I
should go even further,
your saying I'm young, I played Duke3D on a 10mbps Co-Ax, did you? <b>You're
not even mature enough to admit that ATI and AMD have died</b> (Proven
fact by
Stocks let alone sales of CPU's and GPU's, not even the 4700 has saved
ATi)
Good riddance is what a good 60-70% of the world is saying.... at least
they
should be.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Those who
don't believe me here
you go...</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">ATi have
19% market share
according to Steam, nVidia is 41% (Added it up from DX10 GPU's + DX9
Shader
Model 2b and DX9 Shader Model 2, have you guys not seen the Steam
Hardware
Survey?)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">nVidia
won, why can't ATi
idiots accept this? I'll leave them to this, I just hope they shut up
and
actually read evidence before arguing with me again...</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Here's the
Steam Hardware
Survey for those who still reckon ATi still exists....</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a href="http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey" target="_blank">http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey</a></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> UndeadDevil's Shadow [mailto:<a href="mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net" target="_blank">shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 13:30<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been
delayed</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I'm
probably older than
you...... And btw Blackberry sucks, get a HTC PDA :P They can
simultaneously
run Windows Mobile and Google Android :P</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have
stated nothing but
facts, ATi have never written a decent driver in their life span, they
are now
a dead company desperately trying to make up for it and gain a slight
amount of
the market back, etc....</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Seriously
if you're in denial
about ATi being a dead company then well, you're the one who shouldn't
be on
this list... At least I can state and admit to the truth...</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Go look up
ATi's FTSE-100, omg
sorry I forgot AMD aren't even in the FTSE-100!!! Intel are, nVidia
are, etc
but no AMD or ATi!! (Hell even my ISP is in the FTSE-100, AMD and ATi
are dead
fucking accept it you twat)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:ceil420@gmail.com" target="_blank">ceil420@gmail.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ceil420@gmail.com" target="_blank">ceil420@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 13:27<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been
delayed</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p>There should be an age restriction on this ML... Are you even old
enough to
legally acquire an M-Rated game?<span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry<span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><b>From</b>: UndeadDevil's Shadow <br>
<b>Date</b>: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:22:12 -0800<br>
<b>To</b>: <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><<a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject</b>: RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been
delayed<span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Come on
nVidia guys, back me up
here, we can ran BackTrack4 and use CUDA to crack WPA2 keys within 5
mins, ATi
users can't do jack shit thanks to ATi being, well frankly, ATi
lol....
nVidia offered to shared PhysX, ATi said fuck you back to them, a user
tried to
port it, but ended up failing because ATi said fuck you to him</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">ATi have
always been a bad
company for drivers, always will be no matter what OS, hell even there
modern
drivers look like there where designed for Windows 3.1! (You can't
argue this!
Just look for your self!)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Anyone who
denys that ATi have
died are idiots, Steam's Survey crap proves they have less than 20%
market
share (Yes that's 70% to nVidia, nuff said!)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Grow the
hell up you ATi
Worshipers, how can you appreciate such awful crap, that's all ATi have
ever
produced, I gave up with them after my first ATi card, which caused me
constant
BSOD's in Windows XP, hell the card wasn't even usable in Linux back
then,
still isn't actually so you guys can STFU. Grow up, ATi don't give two
shits
about support, at least nVidia do! nVidia's drivers = All features
supported
that the Windows Drivers Support. ATi's driver = barely anything that's
supported on Windows = Sorry have ATi released there CUDA Clone yet????
OMG
they did it slightly better just to be gits.... etc.....)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Grow up,
or hell flame me
calling me a liar about all this ATi stuff, i'll own you if you do,
assuming
your not soo up your arse that you'll /null me because you know I'll
own you or
make you go mental trying to own me fighting a cause that's already
lost....</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> UndeadDevil's Shadow [mailto:<a href="mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net" target="_blank">shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 13:12<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been
delayed</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Prove to
me that ATi's drivers
are worth jack shit on Linux and i'll STFU, so far Intel GMA Chipsets
work
better than any ATi chipset despite the ATi chipset being 8x more
powerful. Go
check for yourself, ATi have always been awful at writing drivers, if
you want
to argue that then you're not worth even knowing as a human as your
full of
bullshit. (Seriously, why the hell do you think ATi lost the frigging
card war
years ago? Why do you think they have less than 20% market share, its
DRIVERS,
they finally realised that there drivers suck a year ago or so. Finally
released ALPHA drivers that supported Compiz, well my Intel GMA 915
Chipset is
more reliable than my ATi chip on Linux, end of story. The ATi =
Bullshit,
Intel or nVidia or Hell even a S3 Chipset = Decent Performance compared
to the
piece of crap ATi will always come out with</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Seriously
grow up and realise
that ATi are now a dead company, AMD is holding on by a little bit of
thin
string and they brought it on their self's, they will never be one up
over
Intel ever again, and they deserve it for buying ATi</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:ceil420@gmail.com" target="_blank">ceil420@gmail.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ceil420@gmail.com" target="_blank">ceil420@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 13:08<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been
delayed</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p>Second that. <span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry<span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><b>From</b>: Daniel Hunt <br>
<b>Date</b>: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:04:41 +0000<br>
<b>To</b>: <<a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been
delayed<span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">I think I'll setup a pipe to
/dev/null for your
useless meanderings<span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p>On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:01 PM, UndeadDevil's Shadow <<a href="mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net" target="_blank">shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net</a>>
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<p>ATi's drivers on Linux are /dev/null (You wan't to argue this?
Well your a
twat if you do<span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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