<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </HEAD>Never thought I'd agree with you on this ML, but you're right on that. Wish I could enable a filter from here :x<br/><p>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry</p><p><hr size=2 width=100% align=center tabindex=-1><b>From</b>: Sir Brizz <sir.brizz@gmail.com><br><b>Date</b>: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:01:39 -0700<br><b>To</b>: <ut3@icculus.org><br><b>Subject</b>: Re: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed<br></font></p>Someone remove Undead from this list so we can all shut up peacefully.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 7:55 AM, cdx <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:codex@grytz.net">codex@grytz.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Not everyone has steam installed, right? [whisper] It's Spyware ... [/whisper]<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br> UndeadDevil's Shadow wrote:<blockquote type="cite"> <div> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Another ATi lover? <a href="http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/" target="_blank">http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/</a> < Proof that ATi is dead maybe?</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">God I said i'll quit with the posting as this list isn't the place for arguing about silly stuff like this....</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Not that it matters guys, UT3 will NEVER COME OUT ON LINUX! Ryan finished it a good year ago! Accept that it'll never come out and un-subscribe!</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"> <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> =TG=McRag [<a href="mailto:harryrag@true-gamers.nl" target="_blank">mailto:harryrag@true-gamers.nl</a>] <br> <b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 14:24<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed</span></p> </div> </div> <p> </p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Seen enough of your stuff, added to spamfilter, bye bye</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"> <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> UndeadDevil's Shadow [<a href="mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net" target="_blank">mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net</a>] <br> <b>Sent:</b> maandag 23 februari 2009 15:00<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed</span></p> </div> </div> <p><span lang="NL"> </span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I didn't say that, ATi until a year or so ago had ZERO linux support, unlike nVidia! This is a fact.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">My attitude, is bad, i'm sorry for this, but I wish people would see ATi and AMD for the washed up crap they are.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This isn't the place for this, so i'll quit. Here's hoping we actually get a UT3 Linux Client (Get the message guys, it aint going to happen – Though I hope I Can eat my own words....)</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"> <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> Daniel Hunt [<a href="mailto:daniel.hunt@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:daniel.hunt@gmail.com</a>] <br> <b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 13:56<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed</span></p> </div> <p> </p> <p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Well, I've yet to see anyone reply to him to argue with him about it. He's just assuming that anyone that thinks ill of him also believes that ATI walk around in gold slippers.</p> <div> <p>On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Kingster <<a href="mailto:kingster@unrealplayground.com" target="_blank">kingster@unrealplayground.com</a>> wrote:</p> <div> <div> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Does it really matter? The chumps holding on to the ATI/Nvidia fight, or the AMD/Intel fight need to move on. As far as I can tell, you're the only one around doing that "UndeadDevil's Shadow". Who cares. If AMD/ATI is dead, then so be it, but we don't need you telling us. I think what the argument was is that ATI has done a better job of opening their drivers up for the Linux community than has Nvidia, and then you go spouting all this crap. Thanks! We would have never realized that we needed to pipe your drivel to /dev/null without it. And Duke3D on 10Base2? I was running an ISP at that time. But, congrats. I'm surprised you've lived this long, especially with that attitude.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">There are plenty of good people that are listening here, for something other than what you're spouting.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">So. Now… Either contribute something useful to the list, or STFU. Please.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"> <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> UndeadDevil's Shadow [mailto:<a href="mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net" target="_blank">shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net</a>] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 23, 2009 7:42 AM</span></p> <div> <div> <p><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"><br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed</span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">God, I should go even further, your saying I'm young, I played Duke3D on a 10mbps Co-Ax, did you? <b>You're not even mature enough to admit that ATI and AMD have died</b> (Proven fact by Stocks let alone sales of CPU's and GPU's, not even the 4700 has saved ATi) Good riddance is what a good 60-70% of the world is saying.... at least they should be.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Those who don't believe me here you go...</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">ATi have 19% market share according to Steam, nVidia is 41% (Added it up from DX10 GPU's + DX9 Shader Model 2b and DX9 Shader Model 2, have you guys not seen the Steam Hardware Survey?)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">nVidia won, why can't ATi idiots accept this? I'll leave them to this, I just hope they shut up and actually read evidence before arguing with me again...</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Here's the Steam Hardware Survey for those who still reckon ATi still exists....</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a href="http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey" target="_blank">http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey</a></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"> <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> UndeadDevil's Shadow [mailto:<a href="mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net" target="_blank">shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net</a>] <br> <b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 13:30<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> </div> </div> <p> <span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I'm probably older than you...... And btw Blackberry sucks, get a HTC PDA :P They can simultaneously run Windows Mobile and Google Android :P</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have stated nothing but facts, ATi have never written a decent driver in their life span, they are now a dead company desperately trying to make up for it and gain a slight amount of the market back, etc....</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Seriously if you're in denial about ATi being a dead company then well, you're the one who shouldn't be on this list... At least I can state and admit to the truth...</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Go look up ATi's FTSE-100, omg sorry I forgot AMD aren't even in the FTSE-100!!! Intel are, nVidia are, etc but no AMD or ATi!! (Hell even my ISP is in the FTSE-100, AMD and ATi are dead fucking accept it you twat)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"> <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:ceil420@gmail.com" target="_blank">ceil420@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ceil420@gmail.com" target="_blank">ceil420@gmail.com</a>] <br> <b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 13:27<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> </div> </div> <p> <span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p>There should be an age restriction on this ML... Are you even old enough to legally acquire an M-Rated game?<span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry<span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <div style="text-align: center;" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div> <p><b>From</b>: UndeadDevil's Shadow <br> <b>Date</b>: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:22:12 -0800<br> <b>To</b>: <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><<a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a>><br> <b>Subject</b>: RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed<span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Come on nVidia guys, back me up here, we can ran BackTrack4 and use CUDA to crack WPA2 keys within 5 mins, ATi users can't do jack shit thanks to ATi being, well frankly, ATi lol.... nVidia offered to shared PhysX, ATi said fuck you back to them, a user tried to port it, but ended up failing because ATi said fuck you to him</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">ATi have always been a bad company for drivers, always will be no matter what OS, hell even there modern drivers look like there where designed for Windows 3.1! (You can't argue this! Just look for your self!)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Anyone who denys that ATi have died are idiots, Steam's Survey crap proves they have less than 20% market share (Yes that's 70% to nVidia, nuff said!)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Grow the hell up you ATi Worshipers, how can you appreciate such awful crap, that's all ATi have ever produced, I gave up with them after my first ATi card, which caused me constant BSOD's in Windows XP, hell the card wasn't even usable in Linux back then, still isn't actually so you guys can STFU. Grow up, ATi don't give two shits about support, at least nVidia do! nVidia's drivers = All features supported that the Windows Drivers Support. ATi's driver = barely anything that's supported on Windows = Sorry have ATi released there CUDA Clone yet???? OMG they did it slightly better just to be gits.... etc.....)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Grow up, or hell flame me calling me a liar about all this ATi stuff, i'll own you if you do, assuming your not soo up your arse that you'll /null me because you know I'll own you or make you go mental trying to own me fighting a cause that's already lost....</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"> <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> UndeadDevil's Shadow [mailto:<a href="mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net" target="_blank">shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net</a>] <br> <b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 13:12<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> </div> </div> <p> <span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Prove to me that ATi's drivers are worth jack shit on Linux and i'll STFU, so far Intel GMA Chipsets work better than any ATi chipset despite the ATi chipset being 8x more powerful. Go check for yourself, ATi have always been awful at writing drivers, if you want to argue that then you're not worth even knowing as a human as your full of bullshit. (Seriously, why the hell do you think ATi lost the frigging card war years ago? Why do you think they have less than 20% market share, its DRIVERS, they finally realised that there drivers suck a year ago or so. Finally released ALPHA drivers that supported Compiz, well my Intel GMA 915 Chipset is more reliable than my ATi chip on Linux, end of story. The ATi = Bullshit, Intel or nVidia or Hell even a S3 Chipset = Decent Performance compared to the piece of crap ATi will always come out with</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Seriously grow up and realise that ATi are now a dead company, AMD is holding on by a little bit of thin string and they brought it on their self's, they will never be one up over Intel ever again, and they deserve it for buying ATi</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"> <p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:ceil420@gmail.com" target="_blank">ceil420@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ceil420@gmail.com" target="_blank">ceil420@gmail.com</a>]<br> <b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2009 13:08<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p> </div> <p> <span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p>Second that. <span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry<span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <div style="text-align: center;" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div> <p><b>From</b>: Daniel Hunt <br> <b>Date</b>: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:04:41 +0000<br> <b>To</b>: <<a href="mailto:ut3@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3@icculus.org</a>><br> <b>Subject</b>: Re: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed<span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">I think I'll setup a pipe to /dev/null for your useless meanderings<span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <div> <p>On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:01 PM, UndeadDevil's Shadow <<a href="mailto:shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net" target="_blank">shadow@s-i-g-m-a.net</a>> wrote:<span lang="EN-US"></span></p> <div> <p>ATi's drivers on Linux are /dev/null (You wan't to argue this? Well your a twat if you do<span lang="EN-US"></span></p> </div> </div> <p> <span lang="EN-US"></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <p> </p> </div></blockquote><br></div></div></div> --- To unsubscribe, send a blank email to <a href="mailto:ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org" target="_blank">ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org</a> Mailing list archives: <a href="http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64" target="_blank">http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64</a> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Sir_Brizz<br>Technical Manager<br><a href="mailto:sir_brizz@beyondunreal.com">sir_brizz@beyondunreal.com</a><br> </html>