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<br><pre>> > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org<br>> > Mailing list archives: <a href="http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64" target="_blank">http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64</a></pre><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">> From: doubina@funbox3d.com<br>> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:54:37 -0400<br>> To: ut3@icculus.org<br>> Subject: RE: [ut3] Possible reason for UT3 Client delay<br>> <br>> Would someone please tell me how to unsubscribe from this list?<br>> Thanks<br>> --<br>> Diego<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: David L. Willson <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU><br>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:38 AM<br>> To: ut3@icculus.org<br>> Subject: Re: [ut3] Possible reason for UT3 Client delay<br>> <br>> How about an accurate status?<br>> A) Due to an NDA, I am not allowed to discuss the status of the client.<br>> B) The client should be out in a year. I'm working on it.<br>> C) I'm no longer working on it. Higher priority projects have come in.<br>> <br>> or whatever... No NDA prevents disclosure of the existence and scope of the NDA itself,<br>> that I am aware of.<br>> <br>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:15:46 +0200, Cironir wrote<br>> > But why can Ryan not make a simple post that says something like,<br>> > "Sorry, guys, there's nothing I can say currently." or "Still working on<br>> > it." or "Apologies, things didn't turn out the way I hoped they would."<br>> > You know, just -something-. He talked to "us" before. What stops him<br>> > now? An NDA that wasn't in place before? Seems unlikely he would be<br>> > asked to sign it weeks after the release of the Windows version.<br>> > <br>> > On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew Clark wrote:<br>> > > <br>> > > How many times does it have to be repeated.... Ryan is an outside <br>> > > consultant. If he is hire to make something and then it is held up by <br>> > > EPIC it is not his fault. I agree with everything but this, Ryan is not <br>> > > to blame, look at his work. What reason does he have to screw us? He is <br>> > > only a consultant, in no way an official part of Epic or VALVE or any <br>> > > other company that is simply contracted to port something for. I'm <br>> > > grateful to Ryan, because he does something I can't yet do myself, even <br>> > > if he gets screwed like the rest of us. You think he likes the fact that <br>> > > the UT3 linux client hasn't been released yet?<br>> > > <br>> > > Steve M Morehead III wrote:<br>> > > > couldn't have said it better.<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 11:23 +0200, Cironir wrote:<br>> > > >> Dean --<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Why are you surprised that Linux users are upset after they were tricked<br>> > > >> into pre-ordering and buying the Windows version of UT3? With what<br>> > > >> turned out to be false and empty promises, which were then followed by<br>> > > >> months of complete silence and disregard. Ryan is not the hand that<br>> > > >> feeds the customers. The customers are the hand that feeds Ryan. It's a<br>> > > >> common misconception that customers of game studios need to be somehow<br>> > > >> grateful for the privilege of being allowed to give the company their<br>> > > >> money.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> So, they didn't want my business as a Linux user. That's fine. ID and<br>> > > >> Splash Damage got the money I had planned to spend on UT3 instead. Not<br>> > > >> that SD is very reliable when it comes to release estimates, but they do<br>> > > >> this obscure thing called "communication". Respect for your customers<br>> > > >> does lead to customer loyalty. I hardly feel respected by Epic or Ryan<br>> > > >> after this whole mess. (It is the silence, not the fact that other<br>> > > >> issues may have come up.)<br>> > > >><br>> > > >><br>> > > >> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:14 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote:<br>> > > >> > <br>> > > >> > You have a list which Ryan, the developer/porter has graciously provided.<br>> > > >> > <br>> > > >> > Insulting him, in a medium HE graciously provides is... rude maybe?<br>> > > >> > ungrateful? tactless?<br>> > > >> > <br>> > > >> > take your pick.<br>> > > >> > <br>> > > >> > Dean<br>> > > >> > <br>> > > >> > David L. Willson wrote:<br>> > > >> > > Feeds what? I don't run a server, so what have I gotten? Game? No. <br>> Updates? No. <br>> > > >> > > Information? No.<br>> > > >> > > <br>> > > >> > > The hand doesn't feed. Eat it.<br>> > > >> > > <br>> > > >> > > On Fri, 09 May 2008 08:44:43 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote<br>> > > >> > >> hmm, nice work. biting the hand that feeds.<br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >> Dean<br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >> Philipp Schmieder wrote:<br>> > > >> > >>>> This mailing list doesn't belong to Epic. It's Ryan's baby.<br>> > > >> > >>> Well, then he seems to be a bad father.<br>> > > >> > >>> ---<br>> > > >> > >>> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org<br>> <mailto:ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org><br>> > > >> > >>> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64<br>> > > >> > >>><br>> > > >> > >>><br>> > > >> > >>><br>> > > >> > >> -- <br>> > > >> > >> http://fragfest.com.au<br>> > > >> > >><br>> > > >> > >> ---<br>> > > >> > >> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org<br>> <mailto:ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org><br>> > > >> > >> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64<br>> > > >> > > <br>> > > >> > > <br>> > > >> > > David L. Willson<br>> > > >> > > Trainer/Engineer/Consultant<br>> > > >> > > MCT, MCSE, Linux+<br>> > > >> > > (720) 333-LANS<br>> > > >> > > <br>> > > >> > > <br>> > > >> > > ---<br>> > > >> > > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org<br>> <mailto:ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org><br>> > > >> > > Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64<br>> > > >> > > <br>> > > >> > > <br>> > > >> > > <br>> > > >> > <br>> > > >><br>> > > >><br>> > > >> ---<br>> > > >> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org<br>> <mailto:ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org><br>> > > >> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64<br>> > > >><br>> > > >><br>> > > >> <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > ---<br>> > > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org<br>> > > Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > --<br>> > > If this email is spam, report it here:<br>> > ><br>> http://www.onlymyemail.com/view/?action=reportSpam&Id=NTI1NjA6NjI5NTE5NzA2OmNpcm9uaXJAZnVyY2FkaWEuY29t<br>> > ><br>> > <br>> > ---<br>> > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org<br>> > Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64<br>> <br>> <br>> David L. Willson<br>> Trainer/Engineer/Consultant<br>> MCT, MCSE, Linux+<br>> (720) 333-LANS<br>> <br>> <br>> ---<br>> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org<br>> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ---<br>> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to ut3-unsubscribe@icculus.org<br>> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64<br>> <br>> <br></body>
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