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Even so, you could still say something like, "Sorry for the lack of information, I hope to have something soon." Still takes less than 20 sec's and doesn't say anything about a NDA or anything else. <BR>
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On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 11:00 -0600, Sir Brizz wrote:
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">I've signed a few in my time, and it's not common but does happen that </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">in the Non Disclosure Agreement you agree to not disclose the agreement :)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">Brizz</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">David L. Willson wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Really? I've never seen one like that, and I've signed a few NDA's.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> On Fri, 09 May 2008 09:55:18 -0600, Sir Brizz wrote</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>> You're joking, right?</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>> And NDA can restrict the disclosure of anything related to the NDA, </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>> including the NDA itself, if desired.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>> Brizz</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>> David L. Willson wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> How about an accurate status?</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> A) Due to an NDA, I am not allowed to discuss the status of the client.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> B) The client should be out in a year. I'm working on it.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> C) I'm no longer working on it. Higher priority projects have come in.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> or whatever... No NDA prevents disclosure of the existence and scope of the NDA itself,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> that I am aware of.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:15:46 +0200, Cironir wrote</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> But why can Ryan not make a simple post that says something like,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> "Sorry, guys, there's nothing I can say currently." or "Still working on</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> it." or "Apologies, things didn't turn out the way I hoped they would."</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> You know, just -something-. He talked to "us" before. What stops him</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> now? An NDA that wasn't in place before? Seems unlikely he would be</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> asked to sign it weeks after the release of the Windows version.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew Clark wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> How many times does it have to be repeated.... Ryan is an outside </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> consultant. If he is hire to make something and then it is held up by </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> EPIC it is not his fault. I agree with everything but this, Ryan is not </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> to blame, look at his work. What reason does he have to screw us? He is </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> only a consultant, in no way an official part of Epic or VALVE or any </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> other company that is simply contracted to port something for. I'm </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> grateful to Ryan, because he does something I can't yet do myself, even </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> if he gets screwed like the rest of us. You think he likes the fact that </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> the UT3 linux client hasn't been released yet?</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> Steve M Morehead III wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>> couldn't have said it better.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 11:23 +0200, Cironir wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> Dean --</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> Why are you surprised that Linux users are upset after they were tricked</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> into pre-ordering and buying the Windows version of UT3? With what</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> turned out to be false and empty promises, which were then followed by</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> months of complete silence and disregard. Ryan is not the hand that</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> feeds the customers. The customers are the hand that feeds Ryan. It's a</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> common misconception that customers of game studios need to be somehow</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> grateful for the privilege of being allowed to give the company their</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> money.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> So, they didn't want my business as a Linux user. That's fine. ID and</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> Splash Damage got the money I had planned to spend on UT3 instead. Not</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> that SD is very reliable when it comes to release estimates, but they do</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> this obscure thing called "communication". Respect for your customers</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> does lead to customer loyalty. I hardly feel respected by Epic or Ryan</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> after this whole mess. (It is the silence, not the fact that other</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> issues may have come up.)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:14 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>> You have a list which Ryan, the developer/porter has graciously provided.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>> Insulting him, in a medium HE graciously provides is... rude maybe?</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>> ungrateful? tactless?</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>> take your pick.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>> Dean</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>> David L. Willson wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> Feeds what? I don't run a server, so what have I gotten? Game? No. </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> Updates? No. </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> Information? No.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> The hand doesn't feed. Eat it.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 08:44:43 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> hmm, nice work. biting the hand that feeds.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> Dean</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> Philipp Schmieder wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>>>> This mailing list doesn't belong to Epic. It's Ryan's baby.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>>> Well, then he seems to be a bad father.</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> -- </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> <A HREF="http://fragfest.com.au">http://fragfest.com.au</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> </FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> David L. Willson</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> Trainer/Engineer/Consultant</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> MCT, MCSE, Linux+</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> (720) 333-LANS</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>>>> </FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> </FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>>>> </FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>>> --</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> </FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> David L. Willson</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> Trainer/Engineer/Consultant</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> MCT, MCSE, Linux+</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> (720) 333-LANS</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>>> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">>> ---</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">>> </FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> David L. Willson</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Trainer/Engineer/Consultant</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> MCT, MCSE, Linux+</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> (720) 333-LANS</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ---</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> </FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">---</FONT>
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