Breakdown by date of all Ryan has posted on (or near) the subject to this list.<br>For those so inclined, read to your heart's content:<br><br>http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?64<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">10/14/07</span>:<br><pre>> We are waiting for Linux client, but it 'ill be only available with the <br>> Windows client (on the box), no ?<br><br>It won't be in the box this time (sorry, this is a deadline problem, not <br>a political decision), but we'll make sure there's a downloadable Linux <br>installer that works with the retail Windows disc. If there's a later <br>print run, we'll see about adding the Linux installer to it.<br><br>The Mac version will have its own retail disc/box separate from the <br>Windows one, like UT99/UT2003/UT2004 worked as well.<br><br>> Is the client optimised fpr dual core cpu ?<br><br>Yes, on all platforms, it will take advantage of multicore systems.<br><br>--ryan.<br></pre><span style="font-weight:
bold;">10/14/07</span>:<br><pre>Thomas Kowaliczek wrote:<br>> Will it give an 64 Bit Linux version? like ut2004 ?<br><br>No plans to do this at this time (but if I ever get a free moment, I'll <br>look into it...I have a feeling that a lot of middleware is going to be <br>problematic this time around, though).<br><br>--ryan.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">10/16/07</span>:<br><br>> is, are we going to see a Linux client when UT3 is released<br><br>yes.<br><br>> and will it be in the box when one buy the game<br><br>no.<br><br>> Demo? why havn't that been releashed for Linux?<br><br>because it's not ready.<br><br>--ryan.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">10/16/07</span>:<br><br>> Ryan, should we be looking at buying the Windows version now in <br>> preparation for the installer, or should we sit tight and hope(!) for a <br>> retail Linux box ?<br><br>I don't think there will be a retail Linux box. If anything, some print <br>run may add
the installer to the disc, but it's not something to wait for.<br><br>There will definitely NOT be a Linux-only package, like the Loki and LGP <br>titles had. If you want the game, buy the Windows disc.<br><br>The Mac version WILL be it's own box and disc, though, as it has it's <br>own publisher (MacSoft), and will not be available for downloadable use <br>with the Windows disc.<br><br>--ryan.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">10/25/07</span>:<br><br>> ...and how truly sad that is too. It's obvious that Linux users FAR out<br>> weigh the Mac users.....but yet we have to wait. Atta boy there Epic,<br>> keep up the bang up job!<br><br>You know, if there's one thing that really pisses me off, it's this <br>attitude.<br><br>Epic has delivered for Linux customers, game after game and year after <br>year, and always above the expectations that are put on any other company.<br><br>The Linux client is important, it's being worked on, and it will ship <br>when
it's ready.<br><br>You can feel free to go subscribe to one of Valve's mailing lists if you <br>want to piss and moan about Linux and Mac support.<br><br>Bang up job, indeed.<br><br>--ryan.<br></pre><span style="font-weight: bold;">10/26/07</span>:<br><pre>> some time later. i can hardly imagine there would be a ppc build or<br>> anything else... (Even if you install linux on an 'old' ppc mac, you<br>> still have this gfx driver problem)<br><br>We definitely won't do a Linux PPC build, but we haven't ruled out doing <br>a PPC Mac version. Probably won't ship on Day One in any case.<br><br>Same story for amd64/linux.<br><br>--ryan.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">10/26/07</span>:<br><br>> What on earth makes you think there are FAR more Linux gamers than <br>> there are Mac gamers?<br><br>There were, at least for UT2004.<br><br>I would speculate that this was due to several factors:<br><br>- a free OS that runs on commodity hardware all over the
planet, instead <br>of requiring premium-cost hardware and maybe a 125 dollar OS update.<br>- readily available copies of the game at clearance prices (buy the <br>Windows/Linux disc wherever games are sold...but it's still 39.99 USD at <br>Apple Retail stores and the rare places that sell Mac games right this <br>very minute!).<br>- A lack of high-end video cards for the Mac (and a good portion of the <br>available systems being unable to upgrade video hardware anyway) when <br>the game was still new and hot.<br><br>Taking that into account, it's not surprising that there were twice as <br>many people playing on Linux.<br><br>--ryan.<br></pre><span style="font-weight: bold;">12/17/07</span>:<br><pre>I'm going to answer a few emails here, but I haven't got anything to <br>announce at the moment. I also haven't read most of this mailing list in <br>the past week or so; I don't need to be reminded that people are still <br>waiting for Linux binaries. You'll get them as soon
as possible, honest.<br><br>> Questions:<br><br>(I don't speak for Epic, and have no real insight into why technical <br>decisions were made. But here are my best insights.)<br><br>> Why did Epic choose GameSpy this time?<br><br>My guesses would be a) because the master server was a huge pain from <br>ut2003 onward (and maybe as far back as Unreal 1), and b) GameSpy gives <br>them cross-platform tech roughly analogous to Xbox Live or Games For <br>Windows Live.<br><br>This is about more than just getting a list of servers. There's a lot <br>more competition for a baseline feature set nowadays. The fact that <br>Valve added "achievements" to the Steam version of The Orange Box titles <br>suggests that this competition is only going to get more fierce. If I <br>were you, I'd go figure out who the major competitors are, and get the <br>login name you like on their services before someone else takes it. :)<br><br>> Why did Epic choose Bink for videos? (Even the load
screens!)<br><br>Almost every game you'll see on a console uses a prerendered movie for <br>load screens (including static copyright text, like ut3 does).<br><br>Partially because it's quick to throw in contractually-obligated logos: <br>usually there's a prebuilt movie from these companies they just have to <br>convert to Bink. Also, it's probably easier to put a movie together in a <br>movie making tool, than make the equivalent set of pixels light up in <br>the engine...especially since, say, Intel Corporation doesn't keep <br>people with UE3 mapmaking experience around to make logos.<br><br>Also, rendering a movie is dirt cheap from a CPU viewpoint; lots of <br>games show them because Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo won't certify your game <br>if the load time is more than X seconds...but the stopwatch doesn't <br>start until all the logos are displayed. Many games show the movies on <br>one thread, and then use this extra time to load the game on another. I <br>don't know if
UT3 does this, but lots and lots of Unreal licensees have <br>done just that.<br><br>Also, darn near every UE2 licensee tends to license Bink, and uses the <br>same piece of third-party code off the Unreal Developer Network to <br>integrate it, so it probably made sense to just do the integration in <br>the official UE3 codebase, since Epic would still get bug reports from <br>it anyhow.<br><br>> As for PhysX I won't comment.<br><br>It's amazing to me how much hatred there is towards Ageia...I wonder if <br>that's just spillover from ut200x's MathEngine contracts.<br><br>Then again, there's a lot of hate towards every piece of middleware, <br>depending on what a given forum's personal conspiracy theory is. Someone <br>posted a petition on this mailing list about removing GameSpy. You don't <br>have to _like_ GameSpy, and I've certainly had my problems with them in <br>the past, but I don't think it's fair to play Kangaroo Court with them <br>when there's really no
actual evidence that they are the problem.<br><br>Likewise for Ageia.<br><br>Likewise for Bink.<br><br>> Lots of other routine middleware floating around in there too probably.<br><br>I have no doubt that people will compare the final binaries with the<br>beta demo server for differences. It'll be interesting to see if the <br>incorrect parties will amend their petitions and apologize to those they <br>slandered.<br><br>--ryan.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">12/17/07</span>:<br><br>> and you'd like to back that up with...?<br><br>The master server reports from ut2004 had more than 1% Linux clients. <br>Same was true for Mac OS X.<br><br>Granted, Windows players were an overwhelming majority, but I would call <br>the statistics for alternate platforms significant, if not large.<br><br>--ryan.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">1/11/08</span>:<br><br>> +1 for polite request for update.<br><br>Indeed; I do appreciate the politeness!<br><br>I've adopted
a policy of not discussing releases before they ship, <br>though, as it seems to get me in trouble. I will definitely tell you <br>guys first when there's something to tell.<br><br>--ryan.<br></pre><b><i>"David L. Willson" <DLWillson@TheGeek.NU></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Bernhard,<br><br>Please quote and give the date of the last such statement.<br><br>--David<br><br><br></blockquote><br><p> 
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