[ut3] hey
[Apoc]Death
death at apoc.org
Fri Sep 10 13:07:14 EDT 2010
Ryan gave a talk at a LUG meeting within the past year or three (that
saw relatively wide distribution as mp3) where he stated that the ideal
was to simply have a cross-platform developer on the team, maintaining
the alt-OS builds, as big porting problems are nipped in the bud before
they become big, and better code is produced on all platforms as a result.
Not quite the "start in Linux and port to Winders" idea floated by
David, but I'd say Ryan's idea was a pretty solid compromise....
-Rob
On 09/10/10 13:01, Lloyd Taylor wrote:
>
> I'd be very interested to know what Ryan's take on that approach would
> be. (ie, is it good for Linux gaming in general?)
>
>
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> * From: * David L. Willson <DLWillson at TheGeek.NU>;
> * To: * UT3 mailing list <ut3 at icculus.org>;
> * Subject: * Re: [ut3] hey
> * Sent: * Fri, Sep 10, 2010 9:57:50 AM
>
> I don't think Ceil cares about knowing what that problem was as much
> as he just wants the code, so we can finally play the MF'ing game.
>
> For those that care about finding out what the problem was, there ~is~
> a way to find out, but you have to care enough to invest some time and
> effort. We'd have to start a class-action lawsuit, based on the $50
> damages you each incurred when you purchased the game based on Mark
> Rein's false claim that there would be a Linux version. Then the
> emails and what-all can be subpoena'd, and you'd get to see who
> decided that it wasn't worth the work to replace the legally
> encumbered part that they were dumb enough to build into it, in the
> first place.
>
> Y'know, if they'd build the Linux version first, and then port to
> Windows, it'd be a LOT simpler.
>
> David L. Willson
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> ----- "robin van ee" <robinvanee at bananasoft.tk> wrote:
> > Yeah, I really want to know what that problem was now.
> >
> >
> > 2010/9/10 Ceil <ceil420 at gmail.com <mailto:ceil420 at gmail.com>>
> >
>
> My kingdom for Ryan's hard drive! :(
>
> On Sep 10, 2010 1:06 AM, "Keith Z-G" <keithzg at gmail.com
> <mailto:keithzg at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > The exact quote from Ryan about the middleware holding things
> up (I
> > > found it via google because I remembered one of the exact
> phrases he
> > > said, and then just searched for exactly that and "Ryan Gordon").
> > >
> > >
> http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?/topic/43994-ut-3-for-linux/page__view__findpost__p__335129?s=5a35f00fa3cde4967f5f84b1ef913102
> > >
> > > Here's the text of the post for those lazy / for future reference:
> > >
> > > ===================================================
> > >
> > > Posted 21 November 2007 - 04:15 PM
> > >
> > > sorry but ... linux version of UT3 maybe not on this year
> > >
> > > While hanging out on IRC, I asked the big question of the day,
> "Has
> > > anyone heard from Icculus on the UT3 server or client?" Here's the
> > > dialog that resulted from the question:
> > >
> > > <icculus> it's stuck in legal
> > > <augustus> Legal? Seriously? Have you had legal involved in
> previous games?
> > > <icculus> Not like this, no
> > > <icculus> There's some issues with middleware
> > > <augustus> so is the hold-up indefinite?
> > > <icculus> augustus: not indefinite
> > > <icculus> augustus: the politics should be worked out for the
> server
> > > soon, I'm removing the offending piece of code.
> > > <augustus> icculus: And the client?
> > > <icculus> augustus: that's going to take somewhat longer
> > > <augustus> icculus: From the sound of it, there is no ETA then?
> > > <icculus> augustus: I'm not committing to one
> > > <augustus> icculus: I understand. Seems like it's quite out of
> your hands.
> > > <icculus> If I told you what the specific problem is, you
> wouldn't believe me
> > > * icculus declines to say more. :)
> > >
> > > And, while I had his attention, I had to ask: "Are you doing a
> Gears
> > > of War port?"
> > > <icculus> augustus: for Mac OS X, yes.
> > > <augustus> icculus: Linux no then?
> > > <icculus> augustus: There's something about a Linux port that the
> > > Gears publisher doesn't like...can't quite put my finger on it...
> > > <augustus> icculus: I was afraid of that.
> > > <augustus> icculus: Funny that Mac isn't a competitor but
> Linux is.
> > > <icculus> I don't speak for Microsoft, but I assume it's just
> company
> > > policy to not do anything Linux related.
> > >
> > > :(
> > >
> > > ===============================================
> > >
> > > A slightly personal note: What I guess was some time ago, Ryan
> ported
> > > Prey over to Linux. I had bought Prey but, after playing it a tad,
> > > never finished it since I couldn't really bring myself to boot
> into
> > > Windows. His port of Prey gave me the opportunity to actually play
> > > through the game I had bought without having to basically
> disconnect
> > > (via booting into Windows) the central point of my home
> network, ie. I
> > > actually got around to playing through it. Without Ryan's work I
> > > would have wasted my money in buying that game. I sent him off an
> > > e-mail thanking him, and he responded promptly and positively. If
> > > there's any fundamental tragedy here it's that Ryan's work on
> UT3 has
> > > been lost----he's a good guy as far as I can tell, and a hell of a
> > > programmer, but because of absurd legal permutations his work
> is never
> > > going to see the light of day, and we're never going to get to
> enjoy
> > > it. It's a fucking shame, and I don't believe for a second
> that Ryan
> > > is at any fault here; he's been screwed over just like the
> rest of us.
> > >
> > > But hey, we've got a hell of an off-topic discussion board out
> of it! ;)
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Ryan Barton
> <debian.moment at gmail.com <mailto:debian.moment at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> Ah yes sorry I was fuzzy on the details
> > >>
> > >> On 09/08/2010 09:05 AM, Valeriy wrote:
> > >>
> > >> If you mean this
> > >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI1OA
> <http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI1OA>
> > >> Then it's not Mark Rein, but, yeah, it's canned for a long
> time anyway.
> > >> Though I wish Epic could say "never" instead of "unlikely" :(
> > >>
> > >> 2010/9/8 Ryan Barton <debian.moment at gmail.com
> <mailto:debian.moment at gmail.com>>
> > >>>
> > >>> For those of you who missed it, mark rein told phoronix ut3
> for linux is
> > >>> canned. Phoronix likes to make things up but this time I
> believe him.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sep 8, 2010 12:41 AM, "Daniel Eckl" <daniel.eckl at gmx.de
> <mailto:daniel.eckl at gmx.de>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> In this case, you failed epically. Never saw such a great
> discussion
> > >>> on this list with good infos and great mood.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2010/9/8 Clayton <wellsfrago at gmail.com
> <mailto:wellsfrago at gmail.com>>:
> > >>>
> > >>> > I am very entertained that I started this stupid flare up
> > >>>
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