[ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed

[Daniel Hunt]

Ugh, I'm sending yet another bloody email to this list. Why am I still
subscribed? I dunno, maybe because I keep expecting some real news from it -
more fool I.
And here I yet again defending Brizz too. *sigh*

We were promised the Linux client. We didn't get it. Epic made money on what
they were obliged to deliver, which was essentially just the Windows client,
and the console clients.
The fact that we were *promised* a Linux client means absolutely nothing
here - we can try to hold them to their word but it would be completely
futile! They were under no obligation whatsoever to ship a Linux client on
the discs, and none again to ship one in the first few months after release.

*YES* we were promised. But we have *NO* right to demand a refund, (or flame
other for telling the truth) based on this fact. Each of us bought the game
in the hope that there would be a Linux client released, not because there
was one already released.
There's a massive difference a public press release stating intended support
for Linux, and a quick message fired off to a Linux-centric mailing list.

Bloody hell when will these emails end?
Daniel


On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 7:57 AM, UndeadDevil's Shadow
<shadow at s-i-g-m-a.net>wrote:

>  Actually I was fine with buying it, knowing I could play it in Windows,
> I'm just talking about the poor-souls here that spent money on it expecting
> it to be out by January/Feb 2008 as was promised. I am unfortunately like
> many others forced to run Windows for Gaming Reasons, Wine while making
> major progress still can't run even Counter Strike Source well.. L Maybe
> next year lol. The day Linux can run every Windows Game is the day it will
> defeat Windows, something I personally hope for (I have more machines in
> this room running Linux than Windows! – And yes I regularly give people that
> say Linux = Jack shit, the whole you use Linux at least 100 times a day
> speech *They do, The two hops out of my LAN Run linux not to mention the
> 1000000's of servers, etc people browse abusing my WiFi when they are around
> here..)
>
>
>
> I'll assume you're somehow trying to be funny with the major comprehension
> and spelling mistakes in your post??
>
> You'r American I assume so I can't blame you for not knowing the English
> Language (No offence intended to Americans who do Know the English Language,
> he/she mis-spelt two words on the same line!)
>
>
>
> I bought the game expecting the Linux Client, but I've still had fun
> none-the-less, its just a shame that Windows being Windows has caused LAN
> Games to end in BSOD's (Why the hell does using OpenAL cause this!,
> BioShock, etc are fine with OpenAL in the U3 engine!)
>
>
>
> Also why does CTF-FaceClassic (Which is nothing like any other
> FaceClassic!) cause UT3 to crash for almost everyone on UT3 on Windows?!
>
>
>
> Your arguing a lost cause here, we were told and if you look back on this
> exact mailing list that yes, it was delayed but it'll be out within a couple
> months after the original Linux release date...
>
>
>
> I'm attacking Mr Brizz over his previous posts, read them and you'll
> understand why (To be blunt, he's just encouraged more flaming here! On top
> of accusing people of buying the game when they like many others were told
> they Client would be out within MONTHS, this is a fact, can be proven, etc.
> EPIC Promised the Linux Client on release, then just before release said
> within a couple months. Read this Mailing Lists Archive before arguing
> this!)
>
>
>
> At the same time, its been so long that arguing isn't going to solve
> anything. The following goes to all of us!
>
>
>
> *Look this isn't going to solve anything, at the end of the day we all
> want UT3 on Linux! No matter what we're all UT lovers who've stuck by the
> series for years (Personally since 2000 for me) and can't wait to actually
> play a reliable game of UT3 (Remember I play on Windows and believe me the
> F***ker crashes constantly on 1.3, they completely messed up the OpenAL,
> etc...), the graphics are good, the game play is spot on for UT99 style
> (Sure most of you here agree UT2004 while being fun ruined some of the
> things that made UT what it was! Well UT3 makes up for that in my
> experience!)*
>
> * *
>
> *The arguing here needs to stop (Me, you, etc are all guilty of helping
> this, well most of you on top of me – I've posted at a last resort to vent
> my anger about how long this has taken), we all want to know the same thing,
> is there any hope now of this actually coming out on Linux?? I was slightly
> harsh, Epic deserve the mail-bomb, not Mr Brizz! At least if this doesn't
> come out in 6 months (Making it 2 years from the Promised on the DVD!)*
>
> * *
>
> *My anger at you Sir Brizz is mainly because of the way you reacted a
> couple days ago, you paid no respect to those people posting out of anger,
> and you seem to completely ignore the fact we were promised the client
> within a couple months of the official release. Again please read the
> archives of this exact mailing list!*
>
> * *
>
> *Now that's out of the way has anyone managed to get this working via
> Wine? I'll assume not because of PhysX? One of the two I mentioned….*
>
> * *
>
> *Seriously, as previously mentioned has anyone looked up what's actually
> the cause of this 18 month Legal Issue?! PhysX has Linux Code (At least
> Ageia does, can't confirm nVidia have done Jack**** to support anything
> using it on Linux) But well, Gamespy are even less likely to want there apps
> running on *nix…*
>
> * *
>
> *Ryan's already told us how to find out who it is, we asked to know, yet
> no one has even followed what he said and looked. Do I really have to go
> look myself?! Are none of you capable of it?! Does the one guy here with
> half a brain have to go do it?! Nah I'm kidding here guys, I'm sure many of
> you are smarter than me, etc (Your on a mailing list that instantly
> qualifies you as smarter than me **J** - At the end of the day, I was only
> writing Basic when I was 11 years old **L** Can't compared to that FAKE 9
> year old kid who's dad is writing Pascal code, etc on his behalf and claims
> the kid is writing it (Any coder should be pissed about this as the kid
> knows Jack Shit – Further Info =
> http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20090206-119903.html)*
>
> * *
>
> *A 9 year old knowing Pascal, sorry but it doesn't happen, for one
> learning Pascal is very rare these days most idiots go for Java (Words
> cannot describe how much I hate Java!! Is Borland even a company anymore?)
> *
>
> * *
>
> * ***
>
> *From:* Sir Brizz [mailto:sir.brizz at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 23 February 2009 07:18
> *To:* ut3 at icculus.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ut3] I would be happy to just know why its been delayed
>
>
>
> Hey, take some reading comprehension classes please. I never said the
> client wasn't proised, I said you bought the game before it had what you
> wanted in it. That's your problem.
>
> I don't care if you hate me, I'm afraid I'm being the only reasonable
> person (well a few others are as well) about this matter. You're bound to
> fail at your entire life if you can't do anything but try to blame someone
> else for your own actions.
>
> Several REASONABLE people on this list waited to buy the game until the
> Linux client was actually out. These people are intelligent consumers and
> aren't whining their brains out about getting a refund and a clas action
> lawsuit and crap like that. You can't blame Epic for your own bad consumer
> habits anymore than you can blame your parents for your lack of ability to
> read words that form sentences and comprehend them.
>
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:31 PM, UndeadDevil's Shadow <
> shadow at s-i-g-m-a.net> wrote:
>
> At least I don't make up total bullshit like Mr Brizz who claims we weren't
> told the client would be out within weeks of the original release after
> being told it would be on the DVD like previous UT's! (Seriously, he's been
> telling us for the past few months that its our own fault that we bought the
> games, we need to find out where he lives and stone the git to death for it)
>
>
>
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