[ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3

Daniel Hunt daniel.hunt at gmail.com
Fri Feb 20 15:36:44 EST 2009 

I refuse to read the 37 emails from this list since I left work earlier on,
but I could probably guess that they're all attacks on Brizz.
Seriously guys - you bought the game, despite *knowing* that it was
absolutely 100% impossible to play the game on Linux. I did the same thing,
and actually installed Windows again so I could try it out.
Yes, we were told that we'd be looked after, but priorities change in
companies, and as Windows & Consoles will *always* be > Linux, we got
screwed in the crossfire.

Is it a pain in the hole? Yes.
Is it disgraceful? Yes.
Do we have any right to flame and chastise people for stating the truth?
Absolutely not.

I agree that it's a terrible shame that we're being kept in the dark after
all this time, but acting like a bunch of spoiled kids is *not* going to
garner support.

Grow the hell up.

Daniel


On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Luiz Gustavo Angelo <loezix at gmail.com>wrote:

> dude, he is a bot, that's why he keeps repeating the same thing to
> everybody all the time :lol:
>
> it's joke, Sir
> IHaveMultitaskSkillLv99PoweredByGoogleSearchAndIBMonPowerIntelInsideARMEnabledWithLasersOnTopOfTheHeadCombinedwithStopTimeMagicFromFFSeries
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Sir Brizz <sir.brizz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Fortunately I have a skill called "multitasking". Watching this list takes
>> about 0.000002% of my time on the heaviest days.
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/09 1:14 PM, max wrote:
>>
>>> Brizz     You are only sitting behind your pc watching this list dude.
>>> You like us have no real life
>>> The color of the sky there is the same as your seiling.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sir Brizz" <sir.brizz at gmail.com>
>>> To: <ut3 at icculus.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3
>>>
>>>
>>>  Nice job summarizing exactly what I am NOT doing :)
>>>>
>>>> Brizz
>>>>
>>>> On 2/20/09 12:47 PM, David L. Willson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I'm sure.  You're so in touch with reality.  Let's have a check
>>>>> then, shall we?
>>>>>
>>>>> Them: No updates.
>>>>> Us:   - annoyance -
>>>>> Them: No updates.
>>>>> Us:   - frustration -
>>>>> Them: No updates.
>>>>> Us:   - anger -
>>>>> You:  It's your own fault if you got screwed.  You assumed the
>>>>> position.
>>>>> Us:   - anger -
>>>>> You:  They don't give us any updates because of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're an idiot, or you're doing a great impression.  I don't care
>>>>> which.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- David
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Sir Brizz"<sir.brizz at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: ut3 at icculus.org
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:40:27 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
>>>>> Mountain
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3
>>>>>
>>>>> The real color.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/09 12:39 PM, David L. Willson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What color is the sky in your world?
>>>>>
>>>>> --David
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Sir Brizz"<sir.brizz at gmail.com>  To: ut3 at icculus.org Sent:
>>>>> Friday, February 20, 2009 12:31:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3
>>>>>
>>>>> So you're saying it's better if reasonable people don't speak up on
>>>>> this list and give Ryan the false impression that every single person
>>>>> "still" waiting for the Linux client is a rabid dog waiting to attack him as
>>>>> soon as he shows his face? o_O These threads are the embodiment of why we
>>>>> don't get active updates from him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brizz
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/09 12:17 PM, ceil420 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously subscribers do have a life away from UT3 - as you yourself
>>>>> said, this ML is silent for months at a time. Then one user asks about the
>>>>> client, and all the regulars get fired up for a few days. Then more months
>>>>> of silence, and the cycle begins again. We're not here bitching about the
>>>>> client every day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you deride the users for 'personally attacking Brizz', and in the
>>>>> next breath tell them to move out of their mom's basement. What's that all
>>>>> about?
>>>>>
>>>>> This mailing list is occasional therapy for angry and seemingly
>>>>> abandoned linux lovers until such a time as the client is actually released;
>>>>> at which time, we can have real discussion regarding the linux client rather
>>>>> than cry about its unavailability. Until then, it'd probably be best if
>>>>> Brizz and his ilk would lay off and let the users vent a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> As little as their crying is helping matters, Brizz's bitching about
>>>>> their crying is only making matters worse. Let linux lovers enjoy our
>>>>> rage-powered therapy for a few days of the month. Women the world over are
>>>>> allowed something similar, after all ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> And now I've opened myself up to a whole new attack from the one or two
>>>>> feminists subscribing to this mailing list... My work here is done. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>>>  From : Kevin Podbielniak
>>>>> Date : Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:57:13 -0500
>>>>> To :<ut3 at icculus.org>  Subject : Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to
>>>>> UT3
>>>>> Wow, it's really crazy with all the other things happening in this day
>>>>> and age (economy for one), you people are still bitching about being screwed
>>>>> and blaming Epic.  Yes, there is no UT3 Linux client, I would love one, but
>>>>> damn, it was well over 15-16 months ago, haven't you guys moved on to
>>>>> something else, or does your entire life of existence live and breath
>>>>> moaning and complaining about Epic screwing you out of UT3 Linux client?
>>>>>
>>>>> I find it entertaining once and a while when someone posts a "any news
>>>>> about the UT3 Linux client" message, especially if a couple months go by and
>>>>> this list is inactive.  But once that first email comes out, then everyone
>>>>> gets on their "Epic screwed us, we want our client or money back" bandwagon,
>>>>> and now it appears that you guys are attacking Sir Brizz for stating facts
>>>>> and reason and offering other courses of action, but you guys just won't
>>>>> have it.
>>>>>
>>>>> do you know how many other games are out there that we can play, go
>>>>> friggen play them!  Get out of your parents basement and trade in your copy
>>>>> of UT3 so you can move the F on.  jeezuz.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were Ryan, I too would ignore the bunch of whiny baby's here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Sir Brizz<  sir.brizz at gmail.com>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm 100% positive he is. :) Actually, I bet that's why he made this
>>>>> mailing list! So he'd have a group of people to ignore! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Brizz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/09 11:14 AM, ceil420 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The only 'official' person I've ever seen post here is Gordon, and he's
>>>>> probably in hiding to avoid taking the brunt of the users vs. Epic
>>>>> confrontation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>>>  From : Sir Brizz
>>>>> Date : Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:09:39 -0700
>>>>> To :<ut3 at icculus.org>  Subject : Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to
>>>>> UT3
>>>>> Okay, I see. :p
>>>>>
>>>>> If you ask me, these threads on this mailing list simply emphasize that
>>>>> there are an unreasonably high number of unreasonable people subscribed
>>>>> here, and that is probably the reason why no official people see any reason
>>>>> to continue posting on here.
>>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Brizz
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/09 10:52 AM, Daniel Eckl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm on the wrong list because I think it's moronic to blame somebody
>>>>> else for something you did yourself? No. Not at all. It's okay when you
>>>>> think so. Perhaps you are even right, who knows. I want to judge that.
>>>>>
>>>>> But face it: You can't stop it this way. You tell it every single one
>>>>> who complains here, but notice that this did not stop a single one from
>>>>> doing so.
>>>>>
>>>>> But notice the other thing:
>>>>> Normally, when one complains, perhaps one or two would join and the
>>>>> subject is done again for the next few days.
>>>>> And now look at this thread. One was complaining, you again state your
>>>>> thoughts about that and voilà! we have a 20 messages thread and still
>>>>> counting.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you really are pissed about useless mails on this list, then all
>>>>> you need to do is to restrain your finger when your mouse cursor is hovering
>>>>> over the reply button.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 18:42, Sir Brizz<  sir.brizz at gmail.com>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm on the wrong list because I think it's moronic to blame somebody
>>>>> else for something you did yourself? Okay...
>>>>>
>>>>> I want the Linux client as much as the next person and I wish Epic
>>>>> could or would give better updates on it's progress (or, at leat, Ryan) but
>>>>> it's pointless to sit around whining about buying the game. Call the BBB or
>>>>> get over it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brizz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/09 10:39 AM, David L. Willson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I must have misunderstood you.  You closed your post with: "...contact
>>>>> your local Better Business Bureau and ask them if you
>>>>> have a case. I'm willing to bet you don't."
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I'm "willing to bet" he does.  Epic seems to have admitted as
>>>>> much by offering the other fellow store credit.
>>>>>
>>>>> What did you mean by the words "willing to bet"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Go piss up a rope, Brizz.  You're on the wrong list, as the other,
>>>>> other guy said so kindly and gently.
>>>>>
>>>>> --David
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Sir Brizz"<  sir.brizz at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: ut3 at icculus.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:34:04 AM GMT
>>>>> -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would I bet on it? Just have him go do it. If they take his case,
>>>>> great, he'll get his money back and he can go blame someone else for other
>>>>> crap in his life.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm really honestly not defending Epic in this case, just because you
>>>>> made a crap buying decision doesn't somehow make someone else responsible
>>>>> for that. If you're mad, be mad about something real, don't fabricate
>>>>> something else to make it seem like it's even worse than it really is.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to complain about the fact there is no Linux client, be my
>>>>> guest. But don't act like Epic put a gun to your head, walked you to the
>>>>> game store, took the money out of your wallet and gave it to the cashier
>>>>> then ran away clicking their heels and laughing. What's with the desire to
>>>>> blame someone else for your own stupidity?
>>>>>
>>>>> Brizz
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/09 10:29 AM, David L. Willson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And I still think you're full of shit, Brizz.  I'll take $5.  If the
>>>>> BBB (or equivalent) accepts his complaint and adds it to their shit list for
>>>>> Epic, I win.  If they feel that his complaint is baseless, you win.  Do we
>>>>> have a bet?
>>>>>
>>>>> --David
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Sir Brizz"<  sir.brizz at gmail.com>    To: ut3 at icculus.org Sent:
>>>>> Friday, February 20, 2009 10:11:39 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we need to go through this again? Purchasing something you didn't
>>>>> want or couldn't use is your own fault. I suggest if you are so torn up
>>>>> over it to contact your local Better Business Bureau and ask them if
>>>>> you
>>>>> have a case. I'm willing to bet you don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brizz
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/09 10:04 AM, jeff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried pretty hard, and epic told me that in good faith they would
>>>>> send me a sealed box that I could return to gamestop, which would only
>>>>> give me current value of the game or an exchange..  Which I felt wasnt
>>>>> fair and that I deserved full price for the game, not to mention it
>>>>> would be punishing the wrong people.  Epic deserves to pay for this,
>>>>> not the retailers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone managed to get their money back?  I mean it has been over a
>>>>> year and I broke the seal on mine but I never play the game because I
>>>>> don't run Windows (except in a VM).  My whole purchase was based on
>>>>> the fact that they have always released Linux versions and they said
>>>>> they would continue that with UT3.  I want my money back.
>>>>>
>>>>> CR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Alberto<  albertodetena at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ..........and what about a linux client I wonder?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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