[ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3

ceil420 at gmail.com ceil420 at gmail.com
Fri Feb 20 14:46:29 EST 2009


I'm saying let the users vent. There is more than one way to tell users what's going on with the linux client; and even if he did post here, I don't see why he'd _have_ to respond to the 'rabid' fans.

OTOH, when the client is finally released, the same people you're hating on will almost positively hail Gordon on this same ML for his valiant efforts, and the songs of praise will undoubtedly reach the desks of Epic and Middleware's so vehemently that they will immediately learn their respective lessons and not hold out on us for so long ever again.

Well, one can dream. 

Seriously though, if there was more to discuss on this list than the prolonged absence of the client, I'm sure it would be rightly discussed. Until its release (or its death confirmed), there's really nothing more to talk about. 

Until release, the ML will be up in flames regardless of your efforts. All you're doing in the meantime is fueling the fire.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Sir Brizz <sir.brizz at gmail.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:31:30 
To: <ut3 at icculus.org>
Subject: Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3

So you're saying it's better if reasonable people don't speak up on this 
list and give Ryan the false impression that every single person "still" 
waiting for the Linux client is a rabid dog waiting to attack him as 
soon as he shows his face? o_O These threads are the embodiment of why 
we don't get active updates from him.

Brizz

On 2/20/09 12:17 PM, ceil420 at gmail.com wrote:
> Obviously subscribers do have a life away from UT3 - as you yourself 
> said, this ML is silent for months at a time. Then one user asks about 
> the client, and all the regulars get fired up for a few days. Then 
> more months of silence, and the cycle begins again. We're not here 
> bitching about the client every day.
>
> Then you deride the users for 'personally attacking Brizz', and in the 
> next breath tell them to move out of their mom's basement. What's that 
> all about?
>
> This mailing list is occasional therapy for angry and seemingly 
> abandoned linux lovers until such a time as the client is actually 
> released; at which time, we can have real discussion regarding the 
> linux client rather than cry about its unavailability. Until then, 
> it'd probably be best if Brizz and his ilk would lay off and let the 
> users vent a bit.
>
> As little as their crying is helping matters, Brizz's bitching about 
> their crying is only making matters worse. Let linux lovers enjoy our 
> rage-powered therapy for a few days of the month. Women the world over 
> are allowed something similar, after all ;)
>
> And now I've opened myself up to a whole new attack from the one or 
> two feminists subscribing to this mailing list... My work here is done. :)
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: Kevin Podbielniak
> *Date*: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:57:13 -0500
> *To*: <ut3 at icculus.org>
> *Subject*: Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3
> Wow, it's really crazy with all the other things happening in this day 
> and age (economy for one), you people are still bitching about being 
> screwed and blaming Epic.  Yes, there is no UT3 Linux client, I would 
> love one, but damn, it was well over 15-16 months ago, haven't you 
> guys moved on to something else, or does your entire life of existence 
> live and breath moaning and complaining about Epic screwing you out of 
> UT3 Linux client?
>
> I find it entertaining once and a while when someone posts a "any news 
> about the UT3 Linux client" message, especially if a couple months go 
> by and this list is inactive.  But once that first email comes out, 
> then everyone gets on their "Epic screwed us, we want our client or 
> money back" bandwagon, and now it appears that you guys are attacking 
> Sir Brizz for stating facts and reason and offering other courses of 
> action, but you guys just won't have it.
>
> do you know how many other games are out there that we can play, go 
> friggen play them!  Get out of your parents basement and trade in your 
> copy of UT3 so you can move the F on.  jeezuz.
>
> If I were Ryan, I too would ignore the bunch of whiny baby's here.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Sir Brizz <sir.brizz at gmail.com 
> <mailto:sir.brizz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I'm 100% positive he is. :) Actually, I bet that's why he made
>     this mailing list! So he'd have a group of people to ignore! :)
>
>     Brizz
>
>
>     On 2/20/09 11:14 AM, ceil420 at gmail.com <mailto:ceil420 at gmail.com>
>     wrote:
>>     The only 'official' person I've ever seen post here is Gordon,
>>     and he's probably in hiding to avoid taking the brunt of the
>>     users vs. Epic confrontation.
>>
>>     Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     *From*: Sir Brizz
>>     *Date*: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:09:39 -0700
>>     *To*: <ut3 at icculus.org> <mailto:ut3 at icculus.org>
>>     *Subject*: Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3
>>     Okay, I see. :p
>>
>>     If you ask me, these threads on this mailing list simply
>>     emphasize that there are an unreasonably high number of
>>     unreasonable people subscribed here, and that is probably the
>>     reason why no official people see any reason to continue posting
>>     on here.
>>
>>     :)
>>
>>     Brizz
>>
>>     On 2/20/09 10:52 AM, Daniel Eckl wrote:
>>>     > I'm on the wrong list because I think it's moronic to blame
>>>     somebody else for something you did yourself?
>>>
>>>     No. Not at all. It's okay when you think so. Perhaps you are
>>>     even right, who knows. I want to judge that.
>>>
>>>     But face it: You can't stop it this way. You tell it every
>>>     single one who complains here, but notice that this did not stop
>>>     a single one from doing so.
>>>
>>>     But notice the other thing:
>>>     Normally, when one complains, perhaps one or two would join and
>>>     the subject is done again for the next few days.
>>>     And now look at this thread. One was complaining, you again
>>>     state your thoughts about that and voilà! we have a 20 messages
>>>     thread and still counting.
>>>
>>>     So if you really are pissed about useless mails on this list,
>>>     then all you need to do is to restrain your finger when your
>>>     mouse cursor is hovering over the reply button.
>>>
>>>     Best,
>>>     Daniel
>>>
>>>     On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 18:42, Sir Brizz <sir.brizz at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:sir.brizz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I'm on the wrong list because I think it's moronic to blame
>>>         somebody else for something you did yourself? Okay...
>>>
>>>         I want the Linux client as much as the next person and I
>>>         wish Epic could or would give better updates on it's
>>>         progress (or, at leat, Ryan) but it's pointless to sit
>>>         around whining about buying the game. Call the BBB or get
>>>         over it.
>>>
>>>         Brizz
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 2/20/09 10:39 AM, David L. Willson wrote:
>>>
>>>             I must have misunderstood you.  You closed your post
>>>             with: "...contact your local Better Business Bureau and
>>>             ask them if you
>>>             have a case. I'm willing to bet you don't."
>>>
>>>             Well, I'm "willing to bet" he does.  Epic seems to have
>>>             admitted as much by offering the other fellow store credit.
>>>
>>>             What did you mean by the words "willing to bet"?
>>>
>>>             Go piss up a rope, Brizz.  You're on the wrong list, as
>>>             the other, other guy said so kindly and gently.
>>>
>>>             --David
>>>
>>>             ----- Original Message -----
>>>             From: "Sir Brizz"<sir.brizz at gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:sir.brizz at gmail.com>>
>>>             To: ut3 at icculus.org <mailto:ut3 at icculus.org>
>>>             Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:34:04 AM GMT -07:00
>>>             US/Canada Mountain
>>>             Subject: Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3
>>>
>>>             Why would I bet on it? Just have him go do it. If they
>>>             take his case, great, he'll get his money back and he
>>>             can go blame someone else for other crap in his life.
>>>
>>>             I'm really honestly not defending Epic in this case,
>>>             just because you made a crap buying decision doesn't
>>>             somehow make someone else responsible for that. If
>>>             you're mad, be mad about something real, don't fabricate
>>>             something else to make it seem like it's even worse than
>>>             it really is.
>>>
>>>             If you want to complain about the fact there is no Linux
>>>             client, be my guest. But don't act like Epic put a gun
>>>             to your head, walked you to the game store, took the
>>>             money out of your wallet and gave it to the cashier then
>>>             ran away clicking their heels and laughing. What's with
>>>             the desire to blame someone else for your own stupidity?
>>>
>>>             Brizz
>>>
>>>             On 2/20/09 10:29 AM, David L. Willson wrote:
>>>
>>>             And I still think you're full of shit, Brizz.  I'll take
>>>             $5.  If the BBB (or equivalent) accepts his complaint
>>>             and adds it to their shit list for Epic, I win.  If they
>>>             feel that his complaint is baseless, you win.  Do we
>>>             have a bet?
>>>
>>>             --David
>>>
>>>             ----- Original Message -----
>>>             From: "Sir Brizz"<sir.brizz at gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:sir.brizz at gmail.com>>  To: ut3 at icculus.org
>>>             <mailto:ut3 at icculus.org> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009
>>>             10:11:39 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
>>>             Subject: Re: [ut3] An expansion is coming to UT3
>>>
>>>             Do we need to go through this again? Purchasing
>>>             something you didn't
>>>             want or couldn't use is your own fault. I suggest if you
>>>             are so torn up
>>>             over it to contact your local Better Business Bureau and
>>>             ask them if you
>>>             have a case. I'm willing to bet you don't.
>>>
>>>             Brizz
>>>
>>>             On 2/20/09 10:04 AM, jeff wrote:
>>>
>>>             I tried pretty hard, and epic told me that in good faith
>>>             they would
>>>             send me a sealed box that I could return to gamestop,
>>>             which would only
>>>             give me current value of the game or an exchange..
>>>              Which I felt wasnt
>>>             fair and that I deserved full price for the game, not to
>>>             mention it
>>>             would be punishing the wrong people.  Epic deserves to
>>>             pay for this,
>>>             not the retailers.
>>>
>>>             Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>             Has anyone managed to get their money back?  I mean it
>>>             has been over a
>>>             year and I broke the seal on mine but I never play the
>>>             game because I
>>>             don't run Windows (except in a VM).  My whole purchase
>>>             was based on
>>>             the fact that they have always released Linux versions
>>>             and they said
>>>             they would continue that with UT3.  I want my money back.
>>>
>>>             CR
>>>
>>>
>>>             On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:38 AM,
>>>             Alberto<albertodetena at gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:albertodetena at gmail.com>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>             ..........and what about a linux client I wonder?
>>>
>>>
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