[ut3] Official release date
Sir Brizz
sir.brizz at gmail.com
Mon Feb 9 14:57:58 EST 2009
Yeah, sorry. That particular thing wasn't really directed at anyone who
wanted/bought the game specifically for Linux.
Brizz
On 2/9/09 12:58 PM, ceil420 at gmail.com wrote:
> I appreciate the 'update' on the Linux binary. At least we haven't
> been completely abandoned.
>
> As for not voicing my complaints in the proper venue, I did speak up
> about a multitude of issues on the beta testing forum. Since release,
> I can't really evaluate the quality of the game until I can play it.
> Seeing as my parent issue has its threads closed almost immediately, I
> haven't had a reason to visit the forum in a while.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: Sir Brizz
> *Date*: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:31:59 -0700
> *To*: <ut3 at icculus.org>
> *Subject*: Re: [ut3] Official release date
> I'd say you had plenty of indications that the game was not going to
> live u to your expectations.
>
> 1) Epic has always had subpar releases of Unreal games on the first
> installment of an engine version. See: Unreal, UT2003/Unreal 2.
> 2) The demo was released only a couple of weeks before the game went
> gold. They couldn't possibly have improved it much in that time.
>
> There are even more than that but those are simply the key things you
> could have looked at before buying the game.
>
> As for it being "RC7", what is that supposed to prove? RC stands for
> Release Candidate, so no matter what they released it would have been
> a release candidate. If you're talking about the labeling on the meta
> info of the disc, are you sure that wasn't a manufacturing mishap? :p
>
> If you look at the patch notes for the massive patch that they are
> releasing soon, you'll see that Epic HAS been listening to feedback
> all this time, despite what the pessimists in the community would have
> everyone believe. Epic has always listened to constructive feedback on
> their games (at least UT) and this patch proves they still do, the
> people that are complaining now are the ones who didn't give any
> constructive feedback so their voices weren't heard.
>
> Brizz
>
> On 2/9/09 12:08 PM, [FnG] Lambik wrote:
>> [quote "Sir Brizz"]They delivered a functional game. If you bought it
>> the way it was packaged, you have no one to blame but yourself if it
>> disappoints you.[\quote]
>> It's not only the linux community, but the wide spread of PC
>> gamers are complaining about the support that EPIC has shown the past
>> year.
>> The product which was released was not finished, infact I bought a
>> S.E. version which was actualy the RC.7 :S
>> I did not buy it to play it on linux, but even the windows version
>> was not the quality we as UT community are use to.
>> In the past EPIC had released UT versions which at start had
>> problems, performance, bugs, etc, but they did fix the urgent matters
>> within weeks, and the other stuff after a few months.
>> That is what this community was expecting with this release too,
>> giving support, using the feedback we as UT ppl were supplying to
>> improve the game,
>> giving the ppl the sense they are part of the process.
>> When you take a look at how many servers that are running and being
>> used, compare that with any other game of the same level, then EPIC
>> should be ashamed.
>> A successor of UT2k4 should atleast contain the same functionality.
>> So in short to Sir Brizz, *yes we are only to blame but ourselfes*.
>> The fact remains that we are entitled to spread the word that EPIC
>> has failed to keep their promise,
>> that they have let down our trust, that our advise is not to buy the
>> game.
>> You may call it complaining, I see it as warning other users for the
>> bad quality game EPIC has created.
>> EPIC has proven the following :
>> "Results of the past are never a guarentee for the future"
>> just my 2 cts,
>> Lambik
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:45 PM, <ceil420 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ceil420 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well I'm tired of you acting as though Linux users that bought
>> the game just did so with no promise of functionality in their
>> platform of choice. They were led to believe they would be able
>> to play the game on Linux at or shortly after release. The blame
>> for the wasted money may be 80% on the players, but Epic
>> themselves also shoulder some of that blame. Especially
>> considering their history of Tux-friendliness; particularly with
>> this line of games. This isn't Blizzard or EA we're talking
>> about, but a company known to support. Linux with past titles,
>> and one that promised playability with the latest as well.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sir Brizz <sir.brizz at gmail.com <mailto:sir.brizz at gmail.com>>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:38:25
>> To: <ut3 at icculus.org <mailto:ut3 at icculus.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [ut3] Official release date
>>
>> Fair enough, My response to your message wasn't really intended to
>> target you. I can completely understand people buying the game
>> with the
>> expectation that the client would get released, I just wish people on
>> here would use a little more brain power instead of just slapping the
>> blame on Epic as if they had no involvement in the decision making
>> process at all.
>>
>> Brizz
>>
>> On 2/6/09 11:32 AM, David L. Willson wrote:
>> > I didn't personally buy the game, but I understand the
>> motivation of those that did. It's important to show approval
>> for ISV's that are allowing their customers freedom of choice.
>> The best way to show that approval is to buy their stuph. I
>> think it's important to wait until the cross-platform goal is
>> achieved, but I understand the desire to reward Epic's promise or
>> intent. I wanted to, too, but because I've been in software a
>> while, I thought it better to wait and reward achievement.
>> >
>> > David L. Willson
>> > Network Engineer
>> > MCT, MCSE, Linux+
>> > tel://720.333.LANS
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Sir Brizz"<sir.brizz at gmail.com <mailto:sir.brizz at gmail.com>>
>> > To: ut3 at icculus.org <mailto:ut3 at icculus.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 11:26:53 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
>> Mountain
>> > Subject: Re: [ut3] Official release date
>> >
>> > Well, this post:
>> >
>> > http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=584654
>> >
>> > Was made 5 days before the game shipped, and indicates that the
>> Linux binary was not ready (something that could have easily been
>> inferred from other forum posts around the same time).
>> >
>> > And, I'm sorry if you're trusting, but, frankly, the Linux
>> binary could come out in 5 years and they wouldn't have lied.
>> They never gave a timeline, and if you assumed that it was about
>> to be released, you were fooling yourself into it.
>> >
>> > I agree that the binary should be out by now, but I'm not
>> involved in Epic's business so I don't know what is holding it
>> back. Recent posts by Ryan Gordon suggest that the binary is
>> practically (if not completely) done, but it's likely stuck
>> behind the same legal hurdle that it was before. What is Epic
>> meant to do about that?
>> >
>> > And it just doesn't change the fact that Epic didn't do
>> anything but give you consolation that a binary would come out at
>> some future point, and based on that you made the decision to buy
>> the game. You still bought the game knowing that what you were
>> buying it for did not exist yet. That was your decision, not Epic's.
>> >
>> > Brizz
>> >
>> > On 2/6/09 11:20 AM, David L. Willson wrote:
>> >
>> > There's that fine line again, Brizz. Epic (your car dealer)
>> didn't say "should be". They said, originally, that it "would
>> be" in the box. Then just before release they said, "OK, it's
>> not going to make it into the box, but it will be released." Not
>> "should be", but "will be". Which led some trusting souls to buy
>> the game on faith, led other, less trusting souls to wait, and
>> then led trusting and non-trusting souls alike, to, at some
>> point, say, "Well, what the ~fuck~, Epic?"
>> >
>> > David L. Willson
>> > Network Engineer
>> > MCT, MCSE, Linux+
>> > tel://720.333.LANS
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: ceil420 at gmail.com <mailto:ceil420 at gmail.com> To:
>> ut3 at icculus.org <mailto:ut3 at icculus.org> Sent: Friday, February
>> 6, 2009 11:16:02 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
>> > Subject: Re: [ut3] Official release date
>> >
>> > Except that we originally weren't told 'in the future'. The
>> dealer told us the GPS was included. The dealer lied. At least
>> admit _that_ much.
>> >
>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> >
>> >
>> > From : Sir Brizz
>> > Date : Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:08:33 -0700
>> > To :<ut3 at icculus.org <mailto:ut3 at icculus.org>> Subject : Re:
>> [ut3] Official release date
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, Linux is not suitable for games. Actually, Linux is fine
>> for games, games are simply not made for Linux. So if you're a PC
>> gamer, anything but Windows is not a choice (and if you say Wine
>> works great, I'll slap you).
>> >
>> > Now, I do have to admit a little guilt in responding here,
>> because I knew all you guys like to bitch and moan anytime
>> someone comes in here that doesn't agree with you, but sorry. The
>> reality of this situation is that you are bitter and want to
>> blame someone other than yourselves. This is really more like if
>> you called up the dealership, asked if the car had GPS, told no
>> but it should be released free at some point in the future,
>> bought the car anyway and then proceeded to complain that the GPS
>> was still not out after a year. You bought the car despite the
>> fact that it was missing the one thing you wanted it for, you're
>> the one to blame in that scenario.
>> >
>> > Brizz
>> >
>> > On 2/6/09 10:39 AM, [FnG] Lambik wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > The person that told 'It has GPS in it' happens to be the
>> salesperson, and then yes you can expect to have GPS in it !
>> > Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make, but seems to
>> me your only business here is to stir thing up,
>> > as you have state to play games on windows only.(Linux not
>> suitable ??)
>> > Pre ordering a game has the risk of getting something that
>> isn't quite what you expect of it, but in this case there has
>> been promised support for linux OS aswell.
>> > Epic has the reputation to support linux on all UT series,
>> which has formed a good basis of trust, which they have broken,
>> and that is why ppl are upset with EPIC.
>> > That is something they have every right to.
>> >
>> > Lambik
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Sir Brizz< sir.brizz at gmail.com
>> <mailto:sir.brizz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For what? They didn't market UT3 as having Linux binaries
>> included or available.
>> >
>> > The problem here is that Epic never guaranteed anything. I
>> appreciate you wanting brand new boxes or whatever your case may
>> be, however that doesn't change the fact that you bought
>> something that didn't include the sole thing you bought it for.
>> Can you imagine, taking this same thing to a more terrible and
>> surely less appropriate analogy, if you bought a car because
>> someone said it had GPS in it, never test drove it, and realized
>> after purchasing it that it didn't have GPS in it? Would you
>> blame the person who told you or yourself for not looking into it
>> more?
>> >
>> > I understand that people wanted and were expecting and
>> (possibly) promised Linux binaries and are upset, but, frankly,
>> you DON'T have anyone to blame but yourself if you paid the money
>> for it already. Did Epic make you spend that money? YOU were
>> encouraged by what they said, YOU made a decision, and YOU spent
>> the money.
>> >
>> > Brizz
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2/6/09 10:14 AM, Luiz Gustavo Angelo wrote:
>> >
>> > Epic could be sued by this, couldn't ??
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Matthias Bach< marix at marix.org
>> <mailto:marix at marix.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Friday 06 February 2009 17:57:02 Sir Brizz wrote:
>> >
>> > And for those of you whining about how you bought the game and
>> haven't
>> > played it because there is no Linux client, sorry but maybe you
>> should
>> > have waited to buy it until there actually was the only thing
>> you were
>> > buying it for? That seems like the practical thing to do in any
>> > situation. You are missing the point. When I ordered the game
>> there had been a statement
>> > by Epic that there would be a Linux-Installer on disc, as it
>> had been with
>> > 2K4. Later they said it wouldn't be on disk, but available on
>> the day of
>> > release. Therefore, as I kind of like to have nice game boxes
>> that I can show
>> > of, I did not bother to cancel my preorder. The problem is that
>> I trusted Epic
>> > to keep to their promises.
>> >
>> > Did you buy Prey the day it came out hoping that Ryan Gordon
>> > would release a Linux binary for it, too? No I didn't, because
>> nobody promised that Prey would be ported. When it
>> > finally was ported this was a pleasent surprise.
>> >
>> > If you want to be a thrifty
>> > consumer, then be thrifty. And if you aren't thrifty, don't
>> whine that
>> > you made a mistake and try to blame it on Epic or anyone else.
>> You don't
>> > have anyone to blame but yourselves. Maybe I have, but then it
>> is not for expecting Epic to make a port, but for
>> > trusting Epic to deliver the software I ordered.
>> >
>> > Personally, I'm sure a Linux binary will eventually come out
>> for UT3 and
>> > when it does I will probably use it. Maybe it will, after all
>> it's already supposed to be done. The real question
>> > is, will their still body to play against. Will the engine
>> still be something
>> > competitive to base your mods on? By the time it will probably
>> take one could
>> > just as well start writing an own engine ...
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Matthias
>> >
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