[ut3] Possible reason for UT3 Client delay
Sir Brizz
sir.brizz at gmail.com
Fri May 9 13:19:02 EDT 2008
I don't disagree that more updates would be better than what we
currently have now (which is basically an embargo on anything even
related to anything close to being related to the Linux client).
However, I don't think that the 70 message threads that happen on this
list help much either, considering the quality of content of most of the
messages :)
Brizz
Steve M Morehead III wrote:
> Even so, you could still say something like, "Sorry for the lack of
> information, I hope to have something soon." Still takes less than 20
> sec's and doesn't say anything about a NDA or anything else.
>
>
> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 11:00 -0600, Sir Brizz wrote:
>> I've signed a few in my time, and it's not common but does happen that
>> in the Non Disclosure Agreement you agree to not disclose the agreement :)
>>
>> Brizz
>>
>> David L. Willson wrote:
>> > Really? I've never seen one like that, and I've signed a few NDA's.
>> >
>> > On Fri, 09 May 2008 09:55:18 -0600, Sir Brizz wrote
>> >
>> >> You're joking, right?
>> >>
>> >> And NDA can restrict the disclosure of anything related to the NDA,
>> >> including the NDA itself, if desired.
>> >>
>> >> Brizz
>> >>
>> >> David L. Willson wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> How about an accurate status?
>> >>> A) Due to an NDA, I am not allowed to discuss the status of the client.
>> >>> B) The client should be out in a year. I'm working on it.
>> >>> C) I'm no longer working on it. Higher priority projects have come in.
>> >>>
>> >>> or whatever... No NDA prevents disclosure of the existence and scope of the NDA itself,
>> >>> that I am aware of.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:15:46 +0200, Cironir wrote
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> But why can Ryan not make a simple post that says something like,
>> >>>> "Sorry, guys, there's nothing I can say currently." or "Still working on
>> >>>> it." or "Apologies, things didn't turn out the way I hoped they would."
>> >>>> You know, just -something-. He talked to "us" before. What stops him
>> >>>> now? An NDA that wasn't in place before? Seems unlikely he would be
>> >>>> asked to sign it weeks after the release of the Windows version.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew Clark wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> How many times does it have to be repeated.... Ryan is an outside
>> >>>>> consultant. If he is hire to make something and then it is held up by
>> >>>>> EPIC it is not his fault. I agree with everything but this, Ryan is not
>> >>>>> to blame, look at his work. What reason does he have to screw us? He is
>> >>>>> only a consultant, in no way an official part of Epic or VALVE or any
>> >>>>> other company that is simply contracted to port something for. I'm
>> >>>>> grateful to Ryan, because he does something I can't yet do myself, even
>> >>>>> if he gets screwed like the rest of us. You think he likes the fact that
>> >>>>> the UT3 linux client hasn't been released yet?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Steve M Morehead III wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> couldn't have said it better.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 11:23 +0200, Cironir wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Dean --
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Why are you surprised that Linux users are upset after they were tricked
>> >>>>>>> into pre-ordering and buying the Windows version of UT3? With what
>> >>>>>>> turned out to be false and empty promises, which were then followed by
>> >>>>>>> months of complete silence and disregard. Ryan is not the hand that
>> >>>>>>> feeds the customers. The customers are the hand that feeds Ryan. It's a
>> >>>>>>> common misconception that customers of game studios need to be somehow
>> >>>>>>> grateful for the privilege of being allowed to give the company their
>> >>>>>>> money.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So, they didn't want my business as a Linux user. That's fine. ID and
>> >>>>>>> Splash Damage got the money I had planned to spend on UT3 instead. Not
>> >>>>>>> that SD is very reliable when it comes to release estimates, but they do
>> >>>>>>> this obscure thing called "communication". Respect for your customers
>> >>>>>>> does lead to customer loyalty. I hardly feel respected by Epic or Ryan
>> >>>>>>> after this whole mess. (It is the silence, not the fact that other
>> >>>>>>> issues may have come up.)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:14 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> You have a list which Ryan, the developer/porter has graciously provided.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Insulting him, in a medium HE graciously provides is... rude maybe?
>> >>>>>>>> ungrateful? tactless?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> take your pick.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Dean
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> David L. Willson wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Feeds what? I don't run a server, so what have I gotten? Game? No.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> Updates? No.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Information? No.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The hand doesn't feed. Eat it.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 08:44:43 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> hmm, nice work. biting the hand that feeds.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Dean
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Philipp Schmieder wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This mailing list doesn't belong to Epic. It's Ryan's baby.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, then he seems to be a bad father.
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>> >>>>>>>>> Trainer/Engineer/Consultant
>> >>>>>>>>> MCT, MCSE, Linux+
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>> >>> David L. Willson
>> >>> Trainer/Engineer/Consultant
>> >>> MCT, MCSE, Linux+
>> >>> (720) 333-LANS
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>> > David L. Willson
>> > Trainer/Engineer/Consultant
>> > MCT, MCSE, Linux+
>> > (720) 333-LANS
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