[ut3] Possible reason for UT3 Client delay
Steve M Morehead III
stmorehead at mchsi.com
Fri May 9 13:17:29 EDT 2008
Even so, you could still say something like, "Sorry for the lack of
information, I hope to have something soon." Still takes less than 20
sec's and doesn't say anything about a NDA or anything else.
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 11:00 -0600, Sir Brizz wrote:
> I've signed a few in my time, and it's not common but does happen that
> in the Non Disclosure Agreement you agree to not disclose the agreement :)
>
> Brizz
>
> David L. Willson wrote:
> > Really? I've never seen one like that, and I've signed a few NDA's.
> >
> > On Fri, 09 May 2008 09:55:18 -0600, Sir Brizz wrote
> >
> >> You're joking, right?
> >>
> >> And NDA can restrict the disclosure of anything related to the NDA,
> >> including the NDA itself, if desired.
> >>
> >> Brizz
> >>
> >> David L. Willson wrote:
> >>
> >>> How about an accurate status?
> >>> A) Due to an NDA, I am not allowed to discuss the status of the client.
> >>> B) The client should be out in a year. I'm working on it.
> >>> C) I'm no longer working on it. Higher priority projects have come in.
> >>>
> >>> or whatever... No NDA prevents disclosure of the existence and scope of the NDA itself,
> >>> that I am aware of.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:15:46 +0200, Cironir wrote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> But why can Ryan not make a simple post that says something like,
> >>>> "Sorry, guys, there's nothing I can say currently." or "Still working on
> >>>> it." or "Apologies, things didn't turn out the way I hoped they would."
> >>>> You know, just -something-. He talked to "us" before. What stops him
> >>>> now? An NDA that wasn't in place before? Seems unlikely he would be
> >>>> asked to sign it weeks after the release of the Windows version.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew Clark wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> How many times does it have to be repeated.... Ryan is an outside
> >>>>> consultant. If he is hire to make something and then it is held up by
> >>>>> EPIC it is not his fault. I agree with everything but this, Ryan is not
> >>>>> to blame, look at his work. What reason does he have to screw us? He is
> >>>>> only a consultant, in no way an official part of Epic or VALVE or any
> >>>>> other company that is simply contracted to port something for. I'm
> >>>>> grateful to Ryan, because he does something I can't yet do myself, even
> >>>>> if he gets screwed like the rest of us. You think he likes the fact that
> >>>>> the UT3 linux client hasn't been released yet?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steve M Morehead III wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> couldn't have said it better.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 11:23 +0200, Cironir wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dean --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why are you surprised that Linux users are upset after they were tricked
> >>>>>>> into pre-ordering and buying the Windows version of UT3? With what
> >>>>>>> turned out to be false and empty promises, which were then followed by
> >>>>>>> months of complete silence and disregard. Ryan is not the hand that
> >>>>>>> feeds the customers. The customers are the hand that feeds Ryan. It's a
> >>>>>>> common misconception that customers of game studios need to be somehow
> >>>>>>> grateful for the privilege of being allowed to give the company their
> >>>>>>> money.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, they didn't want my business as a Linux user. That's fine. ID and
> >>>>>>> Splash Damage got the money I had planned to spend on UT3 instead. Not
> >>>>>>> that SD is very reliable when it comes to release estimates, but they do
> >>>>>>> this obscure thing called "communication". Respect for your customers
> >>>>>>> does lead to customer loyalty. I hardly feel respected by Epic or Ryan
> >>>>>>> after this whole mess. (It is the silence, not the fact that other
> >>>>>>> issues may have come up.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:14 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You have a list which Ryan, the developer/porter has graciously provided.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Insulting him, in a medium HE graciously provides is... rude maybe?
> >>>>>>>> ungrateful? tactless?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> take your pick.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dean
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> David L. Willson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Feeds what? I don't run a server, so what have I gotten? Game? No.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> Updates? No.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> Information? No.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The hand doesn't feed. Eat it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 08:44:43 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> hmm, nice work. biting the hand that feeds.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dean
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Philipp Schmieder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This mailing list doesn't belong to Epic. It's Ryan's baby.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, then he seems to be a bad father.
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