[swbf] Client Browser fixes

[Kevin Lockitt]

I've worked in the games industry (on Freedom Force) and I can tell you that
despite your best efforts and intentions the game NEVER ships in the state
you want it to. There are always more bugs and issues than you ever have a
hope of fixing in time and it's only developers like Id Software and Valve
Software who can basically dictate terms to their publishers and take the
"when it's done" approach. 

PS. Notice that I left out 3D Realms and "Duke Nukem Forever" since that
title is actually a hoax that gained so much momentum they had to pretend it
was true. ;)


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Ressen [mailto:netadmin at michiganburbs.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 26 September 2004 5:26 PM
To: swbf at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [swbf] Client Browser fixes


Kevin Lockitt wrote:

>Jesus Christ man, calm down! They have just shipped a major title and 
>have probably been crunching for several months to meet their deadline. 
>The only thing they're probably thinking about doing now is taking a 
>well-deserved break and reacquainting themselves with family and 
>friends.
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>Don't forget just how bad a state BF1942 was in at v1.0 and how long it 
>took DICE/EA to get BF1942 into decent shape. I am quite certain that 
>Pandemic/LA will do exactly the same with SWBF (as they have publically 
>stated in their
>forums) and you just need to take a pill, calm down and be patient. :)
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Ressen [mailto:netadmin at michiganburbs.com]
>Sent: Sunday, 26 September 2004 5:15 PM
>To: swbf at icculus.org
>Subject: Re: [swbf] Client Browser fixes
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>Kevin Lockitt wrote:
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>>They have probably been invited to 50 lists and it's difficult to see
>>how this constitutes "screwing the community". I'm sure that at least 
>>1000 people have told them what is broken by now but if you feel the 
>>need to be 1001 you would be much better off emailing them directly 
>>than inviting them to this list.
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Ressen [mailto:netadmin at michiganburbs.com]
>>Sent: Sunday, 26 September 2004 5:06 PM
>>To: swbf at icculus.org
>>Subject: Re: [swbf] Client Browser fixes
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>>Ryan C. Gordon wrote:
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>>>>they have been invited, however we dont know if they've joined yet.
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>>>There isn't anyone on the list with a lucasarts.com or 
>>>pandemicstudios.com email address, fwiw.
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>>>--ryan.
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>>bah.
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>>what assholes they are.    Screw the community.
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>>tks Ryan
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>I dunno, Kevin....  I made a personal plea on behalf of everyone I knew
>would want to be a part of some info, and their President decided to 
>reply.   Why?  I really don't know, but I did include a bunch of info 
>relating to our work with BF1942 and DICE, so maybe that had an effect, 
>maybe it didn't.
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>Either way, I think it's complete bullshit to fully ignore the
>community, and those that are helping to promote their game.  If they 
>are too complacent to recognize what sort of help this group can be, 
>then screw them, and I'll be the first to drop all plans to run their 
>game, and reinstate BF1942 because I know I can get some support from 
>DICE, and acknowledgement from their dev group.
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>/BA
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LOL ok, ok.   I guess I expected a bit more from a group that has 
already released a major title.   It's not a stretch to get in touch 
with the gaming community, especially this one - as we're the ones that 
host the games they make and drive client sales through rental and 
public servers.   I do remember BF42, and I guess I was hoping we 
wouldn't have to go through the same learning curve.

/BA