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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Tim Angus <<a href="mailto:tim@ngus.net">tim@ngus.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:07:24 +0200 Erik wrote:<br>> Being BASEGAME != depending on. It can run any other mod no<br>
> problem at all by just setting the appropriate fs_game. *So there's<br>> no GPL violation by ioUrbanTerror.*<br><br>By setting BASEGAME you are indicating an intention of dependence.<br>The fact that it /can/ run whatever other mod you want doesn't matter.<br>
<br>If you think the "oh but it can do X" argument works you could prove<br>all sorts of silly things. For example, say I have a closed app which I<br>distribute with GPL libs which it relies on (kind of the reverse of the<br>
situation here). I can now say "oh but it /can/ use this set of closed<br>libs over here too, which you can get yourself. NO GPL PROBLEM!". I hope<br>you agree this is crazy talk.<br><br>Besides who in their right mind is going to download UrT simply to run<br>
another mod? ioUrT is not a useful product without a game. Fortunately<br>it is distributed with one and is configured to use it by default. If<br>this is not dependence I don't know what is.<br><br>> It actually says that you can use the sdk to CREATE mods for<br>
> operation with Q3A only, it doesn't say the mods are for USAGE with<br>> Q3A only. Pretty important difference. Urban Terror (the mod) WAS<br>> created for Q3A and still works fine on it. It just HAPPENS to run on<br>
> GPL Q3-engines too. And nothing forbids that.<br><br>"a. So long as this Agreement accompanies each copy you make of the<br>Software, and so long as you fully comply, at all times, with this<br>Agreement, ID grants to you the non-exclusive and limited right to<br>
distribute copies of the Software free of charge for non-commercial<br>purposes by electronic means only and the non-exclusive and limited<br>right to use the Software to create your own modifications (the "New<br>Creations") for operation only with the full version of the software<br>
game QUAKE III ARENA"<br><br>So you're denying that distributing UrT with ioUrT suggests you<br>should use UrT with ioUrT? Is your argument that it's the user deciding<br>to use ioUrT? I really think that's pretty ridiculous. By distributing<br>
them together you're /inviting/ the user to use them in tandem.<br><br>> The UrT team even asked<br>> IDsoftware directly to make sure they were doing nothing wrong and<br>> IDsoftware gave them the okay. *So no SDK violation either.*<br>
<br>I was under the impression that the correspondance with id was in order<br>to secure a waiver from the above clause; i.e. admission of a licensing<br>issue and legal permission to ignore it. Unfortunately since no one<br>
arguing over the licensing has ever seen or produced the<br>communication in question (including you, or so you told us), it<br>doesn't seem worth mentioning.<br><br>> They ARE separate products, they are just bundled in one<br>
> zip/installer for convenience.<br><br>By that logic, is the baseq3 game a separate product from Q3A?<br><br>> PS: I am now retired from Urban Terror, so I couldn't really care<br>> less about all this<br><br>
> I don't know and don't really care about the details,<br><br>...but you're certain there are no licensing problems?<br><br>> but I do know that linux distros often come combined with closed<br>> source software as well. So I don't really see a problem.<br>
<br>Linux distributions are aggregations of independent works. ioUrT and UrT<br>share headers, data structures and APIs which are intended to<br>interoperate. This analogy is silly.<br><br>Regardless of your opinion/thoughts of the licenses employed, you can't<br>
deny that at best the whole shebang has been engineered to skirt any<br>licensing issues and avoid giving anything back. I personally think<br>that's a crock of shit.<br><br><br>---<br>To unsubscribe, send a blank email to <a href="mailto:quake3-unsubscribe@icculus.org">quake3-unsubscribe@icculus.org</a><br>
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