[quake3] Greetings

[Chris Bunting]

Hello,

Well, most people who actually mod the main quake 3 source code are supposed 
to release their source code, but not many mod authors offer the code. Most 
mods are closed source and are only distributed via the compiled qvm's. Why 
do you think that ID released the Doom 3 demo with a compiled .dll and not 
the qvms for windows. Just because you can look at that mod sdk doesn't help 
with those who are wanting to see any of the major code changes to the 
rendering engines and such. If you download urban terror or world of 
padman's source, you get nothing more than the stock ioquake3 source, they 
don't release any major engine enhancements, they are only giving back the 
stock code with the basic changes needed to run their mods. Checksum checks 
diabled, cdkey checks removed, pack checks ect. But still, you won't get the 
source for many of those mods, just the qvm's.

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephan Reiter" <stephan.reiter at gmail.com>
To: <quake3 at icculus.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [quake3] Greetings


>> So really, unless you are going to rework the vm in ioquake3 to be 
>> specific for your game, just using the standard qvm compiler and the old 
>> q3 code will leave your mod or game freely open for disassembly.
>
> I fail to see the reason why this is a problem for you. If you're 
> distributing a mod based on the code that was released under the GPL, you 
> have to make the code accessible anyway. So there isn't even a need for a 
> disassembler with regard to your code ...
>
> Or am I wrong on that?
> Stephan
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Bunting" <cbunting99 at gmail.com>
> To: <quake3 at icculus.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [quake3] Greetings
>
>
>> >
>>> Though I suppose that if the QVM still runs on baseq3, we could keep our
>>> source closed, if we really wanted to.  So that might be a consideration
>>> for making an ioq3 mod instead of directly modifying the engine.  We're
>>> going full opensource, planned to do it since day one.
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> One of the main reasons why I choose to stick to windows is only because 
>> dll's are a bit more secure. The problem now days is that QVM's are not 
>> secure. Do you know why punkbuster no longer supports Q3? I don't know 
>> for sure but for mod authors along with all of the major game developers 
>> for Soldier of Fortune 2, Call of Duty, UrbanTerror, World of Padman and 
>> many others, their code is already out there whether the developers know 
>> it or not right along with punkbuster's q3 code. QvmKanker is only one of 
>> the many qvm decompilers. So really, unless you are going to rework the 
>> vm in ioquake3 to be specific for your game, just using the standard qvm 
>> compiler and the old q3 code will leave your mod or game freely open for 
>> disassembly.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
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