From demodevil at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 19:03:56 2008 From: demodevil at gmail.com (Slash) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:03:56 -0400 Subject: Installer Switches? Message-ID: Hello, Are there command line switches available for the prey-demo installer to set the default installation directory, binary directory, etc? Thanks! Slashbunny From icculus at icculus.org Thu Oct 23 21:30:31 2008 From: icculus at icculus.org (Ryan C. Gordon) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:30:31 -0400 Subject: [prey] Installer Switches? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49012537.2030209@icculus.org> > Are there command line switches available for the prey-demo installer > to set the default installation directory, binary directory, etc? This gets you most of the way... ./prey-demo-installer-10232008.bin \ --ui=stdio --noreadme --i-agree-to-all-licenses \ --destination /home/icculus/prey-demo ...but it still wants to show an option screen to choose the default language and enable PunkBuster support (and a bug in the installer will make it show the PunkBuster EULA even with --i-agree-to-all-licenses ... I just fixed that after testing that command line, but it's not in the existing release.) So it can be _mostly_ automated, and I'm addressing the rest of the issues for a later build. The .bin file is a self-extracting .zip file, if you're asking because you want to repackage it for a Linux distro...pushing it through unzip and picking the right files out of the data/ directory may be an easier route (but please do show the license files!) --ryan. From demodevil at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 22:34:35 2008 From: demodevil at gmail.com (Slash) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:34:35 -0400 Subject: [prey] Installer Switches? In-Reply-To: <49012537.2030209@icculus.org> References: <49012537.2030209@icculus.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Ryan C. Gordon wrote: > The .bin file is a self-extracting .zip file, if you're asking because you > want to repackage it for a Linux distro...pushing it through unzip and > picking the right files out of the data/ directory may be an easier route > (but please do show the license files!) > > --ryan. Thanks for the quick response! Yes, I plan on making a build script (aka PKGBUILD) for Arch Linux. So I'll probably go the unzip route- I'll remember to include the licenses. From marix at marix.org Fri Oct 24 02:55:10 2008 From: marix at marix.org (Matthias Bach) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:55:10 +0200 Subject: [prey] Installer Switches? In-Reply-To: <49012537.2030209@icculus.org> References: <49012537.2030209@icculus.org> Message-ID: <200810240855.13842.marix@marix.org> Hi! Am Freitag 24 Oktober 2008 schrieb Ryan C. Gordon: > ...but it still wants to show an option screen to choose the default > language Wow, I didn't even notice that one, but I used the GTK installer. Is it missing in that one? Otherwise. Greate port! Even sound works without messing around. :) Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Bach www.marix.org ?Der einzige Weg, die Grenzen des M?glichen zu finden, ist ein klein wenig ?ber diese hinaus in das Unm?gliche vorzusto?en.? - Arthur C. Clarke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From josh at resonance.org Sat Oct 25 03:55:41 2008 From: josh at resonance.org (Josh Green) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:55:41 -0700 Subject: Demo worked great, looking forward to the full release Message-ID: <1224921341.22229.15.camel@SillyPutty> Just played the demo through tonight on my laptop running Ubuntu 8.04 system. Game worked flawlessly. Was a little sluggish, but that is to be expected with my older video card. Game was playable though at 1024x768 with lowest settings and seemed about the same responsiveness as Doom 3. Looking forward to the final release. Thanks for bringing this cool game to Linux! One issue I did experience was that the URL links at the end of the demo didn't open and I got this at the console: Open URL: http://icculus.org/prey/ URL script: /home/josh/local/prey-demo//openurl.sh system /home/josh/local/prey-demo//openurl.sh 'http://icculus.org/prey/' & galeon: ./libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) galeon: ./libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_3.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2) Not a big deal though of course and might be something wrong with galeon. Detailed system specs: 1.86 GHz Pentium M laptop NVidia Go 6600 2GB RAM Kernel 2.5.24-21-generic (stock Ubuntu) I'm running compiz Thanks again! Josh Green From gagapeter at gmx.de Sat Oct 25 08:47:54 2008 From: gagapeter at gmx.de (Sebastian Joseph) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:47:54 +0200 Subject: Demo works great here, too Message-ID: <4903157A.6080404@gmx.de> OS: Arch Linux CPU: AMD Phenom X4 9600+ RAM: GEIL 4096MB DDR2-RAM GPU: ATI Radeon HD2600XT 512MB Thanks for the client. I loved the demo of the game when the Windows release was (only demo I run with wine). But now, with the nativ client, I will buy it. From autocrosser1 at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 14:13:08 2008 From: autocrosser1 at gmail.com (Dean Loros) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:13:08 -0700 Subject: Prey Demo works great... Message-ID: <490361B4.9050308@gmail.com> OS: Ubuntu Linux Intrepid Ibex (8.10) CPU: Intel Core2 Quad Q9300 RAM: 4G OCZ 1066 SLI ram GPU: Dual BFG 8600 GT/OC running SLI MOTHERBOARD: EVGA nForce 750I Thanks for the client. Ran perfectly on my system--no problems. I'll buy the full app when it's out!!! From demodevil at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 16:10:05 2008 From: demodevil at gmail.com (Slash) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:10:05 -0400 Subject: [prey] Installer Switches? In-Reply-To: <200810240855.13842.marix@marix.org> References: <49012537.2030209@icculus.org> <200810240855.13842.marix@marix.org> Message-ID: Arch Linux users: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=20980 From autocrosser1 at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 23:28:56 2008 From: autocrosser1 at gmail.com (Dean Loros) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:28:56 -0700 Subject: Installer for full game? Message-ID: <49053578.80806@gmail.com> I see by looking at the website that there is a /prey-installer-10232008.bin? Has that been released or is it "in the works"? Anyone know if any version of Prey will work with this installer? I'm getting the game--just would like to know ahead of time..... From marix at marix.org Mon Oct 27 04:19:30 2008 From: marix at marix.org (Matthias Bach) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:19:30 +0100 Subject: [prey] Installer for full game? In-Reply-To: <49053578.80806@gmail.com> References: <49053578.80806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810270919.33393.marix@marix.org> Hi! Am Montag 27 Oktober 2008 schrieb Dean Loros: > I see by looking at the website that there is a > /prey-installer-10232008.bin? Has that been released or is it "in the > works"? Anyone know if any version of Prey will work with this installer? > > I'm getting the game--just would like to know ahead of time..... Good question. After the UT3 desaster, which is still laying on my desk unopened, I will wait for some success stories before spending any money, too. Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Bach www.marix.org ?Der einzige Weg, die Grenzen des M?glichen zu finden, ist ein klein wenig ?ber diese hinaus in das Unm?gliche vorzusto?en.? - Arthur C. Clarke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From icculus at icculus.org Tue Oct 28 05:20:33 2008 From: icculus at icculus.org (Ryan C. Gordon) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:20:33 -0400 Subject: [prey] Installer for full game? In-Reply-To: <200810270919.33393.marix@marix.org> References: <49053578.80806@gmail.com> <200810270919.33393.marix@marix.org> Message-ID: <4906D961.8070205@icculus.org> > Good question. After the UT3 desaster, which is still laying on my desk > unopened, I will wait for some success stories before spending any money, too. Retail version of Prey will be out later in the week. I'm just fixing issues reported from the demo. --ryan. From autocrosser1 at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 09:55:56 2008 From: autocrosser1 at gmail.com (Dean Loros) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:55:56 -0700 Subject: [prey] Installer for full game? In-Reply-To: <4906D961.8070205@icculus.org> References: <49053578.80806@gmail.com> <200810270919.33393.marix@marix.org> <4906D961.8070205@icculus.org> Message-ID: <490719EC.6090009@gmail.com> Thank you for the note Ryan!!! I am waiting for the installer--are you going to post it here? Pity that UT3 has done what it has--I was waiting for it too..... autocrosser Ryan C. Gordon wrote: > >> Good question. After the UT3 desaster, which is still laying on my >> desk unopened, I will wait for some success stories before spending >> any money, too. > > Retail version of Prey will be out later in the week. I'm just fixing > issues reported from the demo. > > --ryan. > > > --- > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to prey-unsubscribe at icculus.org > Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?68 > > From marcosestevesbarbosa at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 10:11:02 2008 From: marcosestevesbarbosa at gmail.com (Marcos Barbosa) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:11:02 -0200 Subject: [prey] Installer for full game? In-Reply-To: <490719EC.6090009@gmail.com> References: <49053578.80806@gmail.com> <200810270919.33393.marix@marix.org> <4906D961.8070205@icculus.org> <490719EC.6090009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42bbb5c30810280711j3db72e6oa816d2be862839d1@mail.gmail.com> Good question! And the UT3? 2008/10/28 Dean Loros : > Thank you for the note Ryan!!! > > I am waiting for the installer--are you going to post it here? > > Pity that UT3 has done what it has--I was waiting for it too..... > > autocrosser > > > Ryan C. Gordon wrote: >> >>> Good question. After the UT3 desaster, which is still laying on my >>> desk unopened, I will wait for some success stories before spending >>> any money, too. >> >> Retail version of Prey will be out later in the week. I'm just fixing >> issues reported from the demo. >> >> --ryan. >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to prey-unsubscribe at icculus.org >> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?68 >> >> > > > --- > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to prey-unsubscribe at icculus.org > Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?68 > > -- Marcos Henrique Esteves Barbosa marcosestevesbarbosa at gmail.com From lists at dusted.dk Fri Oct 31 07:35:51 2008 From: lists at dusted.dk (DusteD) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:35:51 +0100 Subject: Demo feedback Message-ID: <490AED97.2030903@dusted.dk> Demo works great. Autodetection for settings failed though, setting quality to low in 1024x768 res. Runs perfectly in 1600x1200 with highest settings. This game will be bought when the full-version installer comes :) Best Regards Jimmy. System info: Kernel: Linux monolithic 2.6.24.2-core2-32bit #1 SMP Dist: Debian Lenny Gfx driver: Nvidia 177.80 Gfx card: GF8800Ultra Cpu: Intel Core2 Duo 3ghz Mem: 2 Gb dual-channel 1666 mhz ddr3 From drjoms at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 07:46:03 2008 From: drjoms at gmail.com (Dmitri Seletski) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:46:03 +0000 Subject: [prey] Demo feedback In-Reply-To: <490AED97.2030903@dusted.dk> References: <490AED97.2030903@dusted.dk> Message-ID: yeah, i have 1650x1080(not sure about second value) screen resolution, game didn't catch it automatically(used lower resolution instead). However it was very well playable and enjoyable on lover resolution. I don't really care about multilayer, but I really would like to play single player version. with all that wicked gravity and soul riding :) On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:35 AM, DusteD wrote: > Demo works great. > Autodetection for settings failed though, setting quality to low in > 1024x768 res. > Runs perfectly in 1600x1200 with highest settings. > > This game will be bought when the full-version installer comes :) > > Best Regards > Jimmy. > > System info: > Kernel: Linux monolithic 2.6.24.2-core2-32bit #1 SMP > Dist: Debian Lenny > Gfx driver: Nvidia 177.80 > Gfx card: GF8800Ultra > Cpu: Intel Core2 Duo 3ghz > Mem: 2 Gb dual-channel 1666 mhz ddr3 > > > --- > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to prey-unsubscribe at icculus.org > Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?68 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The solutions are widespread on the net. In any other way, perfect. Installation is straightforward nad runs smooth with high settings on 1280x1024 @ nvidia 7600GT/amd64 3000 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Dmitri Seletski wrote: > yeah, i have 1650x1080(not sure about second value) screen resolution, game > didn't catch it automatically(used lower resolution instead). > However it was very well playable and enjoyable on lover resolution. > I don't really care about multilayer, but I really would like to play > single player version. with all that wicked gravity and soul riding :) > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:35 AM, DusteD wrote: > >> Demo works great. >> Autodetection for settings failed though, setting quality to low in >> 1024x768 res. >> Runs perfectly in 1600x1200 with highest settings. >> >> This game will be bought when the full-version installer comes :) >> >> Best Regards >> Jimmy. >> >> System info: >> Kernel: Linux monolithic 2.6.24.2-core2-32bit #1 SMP >> Dist: Debian Lenny >> Gfx driver: Nvidia 177.80 >> Gfx card: GF8800Ultra >> Cpu: Intel Core2 Duo 3ghz >> Mem: 2 Gb dual-channel 1666 mhz ddr3 >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to prey-unsubscribe at icculus.org >> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?68 >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drjoms at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 08:12:09 2008 From: drjoms at gmail.com (Dmitri Seletski) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:12:09 +0000 Subject: [prey] Demo feedback In-Reply-To: <8e041a030810310507x25dea3cgd063be1afa847f09@mail.gmail.com> References: <490AED97.2030903@dusted.dk> <8e041a030810310507x25dea3cgd063be1afa847f09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Matias, it could be issue with alsa perhaps? for me so far it's most troublesome component of system.(however, i never really had any issues using sound playback on alsa) And, i should be able to configure my resolution using "seta r_custom" command, but it's hackish approach, which should be corrected by a developer... (not the case with several screen, technology as such on linux is pretty bad...) On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Mat?as Costa wrote: > Just two glitches. > > One with multimonitor. Looks like it detects 2560x1024 as maximun > resolution and tries to set it on one monitor. Of course, the monitor goes > black. > > $ xrandr > Screen 0: minimum 800 x 600, current 2560 x 1024, maximum 2560 x 1024 > default connected 2560x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm > 2560x1024 50.0* > 1280x1024 51.0 > 2048x768 52.0 > 1024x768 53.0 > 1600x600 54.0 > 800x600 55.0 > > I had to edit .prey-demo/base/default.cfg > > seta r_customHeight "1024" > seta r_customWidth "768" > seta r_mode "-1" > > And the default alsa sound plays with noise and robot-like sometimes. I had > to set it to oss. > > Anyway this is due to id tech 4 engine. The same happens with doom3, quake4 > and quake wars. The solutions are widespread on the net. > > In any other way, perfect. Installation is straightforward nad runs smooth > with high settings on 1280x1024 @ nvidia 7600GT/amd64 3000 > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Dmitri Seletski wrote: > >> yeah, i have 1650x1080(not sure about second value) screen resolution, >> game didn't catch it automatically(used lower resolution instead). >> However it was very well playable and enjoyable on lover resolution. >> I don't really care about multilayer, but I really would like to play >> single player version. with all that wicked gravity and soul riding :) >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:35 AM, DusteD wrote: >> >>> Demo works great. >>> Autodetection for settings failed though, setting quality to low in >>> 1024x768 res. >>> Runs perfectly in 1600x1200 with highest settings. >>> >>> This game will be bought when the full-version installer comes :) >>> >>> Best Regards >>> Jimmy. >>> >>> System info: >>> Kernel: Linux monolithic 2.6.24.2-core2-32bit #1 SMP >>> Dist: Debian Lenny >>> Gfx driver: Nvidia 177.80 >>> Gfx card: GF8800Ultra >>> Cpu: Intel Core2 Duo 3ghz >>> Mem: 2 Gb dual-channel 1666 mhz ddr3 >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to prey-unsubscribe at icculus.org >>> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?68 >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marix at marix.org Fri Oct 31 10:20:27 2008 From: marix at marix.org (Matthias Bach) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:20:27 +0100 Subject: [prey] Demo feedback In-Reply-To: <8e041a030810310507x25dea3cgd063be1afa847f09@mail.gmail.com> References: <490AED97.2030903@dusted.dk> <8e041a030810310507x25dea3cgd063be1afa847f09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200810311520.27639.marix@marix.org> Hi! Am Freitag, 31. Oktober 2008 13:07 schrieb Mat?as Costa: > And the default alsa sound plays with noise and robot-like sometimes. I had > to set it to oss. > > Anyway this is due to id tech 4 engine. The same happens with doom3, quake4 > and quake wars. The solutions are widespread on the net. I have this issue with doom 3, prey worked fine with the default setup, so. (openSUSE 10.3, onboard sound). -- Matthias Bach www.marix.org From cwadge at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 13:13:16 2008 From: cwadge at gmail.com (Chris Wadge) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:13:16 -0700 Subject: [prey] Demo feedback In-Reply-To: <200810311520.27639.marix@marix.org> References: <490AED97.2030903@dusted.dk> <8e041a030810310507x25dea3cgd063be1afa847f09@mail.gmail.com> <200810311520.27639.marix@marix.org> Message-ID: <490B3CAC.2090107@gmail.com> Hi all, I've never had issues with ALSA in Doom3, Quake4, Prey demo, etc. But then again I always compile OSS out of my kernels as deprecated, relying fully on ALSA's OSS compatibility. -C Matthias Bach wrote: > Hi! > > Am Freitag, 31. Oktober 2008 13:07 schrieb Mat?as Costa: > >> And the default alsa sound plays with noise and robot-like sometimes. I had >> to set it to oss. >> >> Anyway this is due to id tech 4 engine. The same happens with doom3, quake4 >> and quake wars. The solutions are widespread on the net. >> > > I have this issue with doom 3, prey worked fine with the default setup, so. > (openSUSE 10.3, onboard sound). > > From m.costacano at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 13:37:30 2008 From: m.costacano at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mat=EDas_Costa?=) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:37:30 +0100 Subject: [prey] Demo feedback In-Reply-To: <8e041a030810310507x25dea3cgd063be1afa847f09@mail.gmail.com> References: <490AED97.2030903@dusted.dk> <8e041a030810310507x25dea3cgd063be1afa847f09@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8e041a030810311037h4e9569f8u8370cc812ef0ed6f@mail.gmail.com> I answer myself to answer all. I have any problem with alsa in general except in id tech 4 games. Other games and id tech 4 games in wine sounds OK. Is alsa oss emulation. In doom3 it was horrible all the time, in prey-demo happens when people are being abducted in the first level, and some other particular places. Multimonitor configuration is not usual, and sometimes causes trouble. I knew these things before getting the second monitor, I am used to. Just to tell these exceptions for a exceptional game, may be is useful for someone. If people plays multi-prey (I did't found any server with the demo) I'll buy the full linux release. As I bought quake4 and quake wars. I shouldn't do it, It will hurt my sleep hours an my overall productivity. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Mat?as Costa wrote: > Just two glitches. > > One with multimonitor. Looks like it detects 2560x1024 as maximun > resolution and tries to set it on one monitor. Of course, the monitor goes > black. > > $ xrandr > Screen 0: minimum 800 x 600, current 2560 x 1024, maximum 2560 x 1024 > default connected 2560x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm > 2560x1024 50.0* > 1280x1024 51.0 > 2048x768 52.0 > 1024x768 53.0 > 1600x600 54.0 > 800x600 55.0 > > I had to edit .prey-demo/base/default.cfg > > seta r_customHeight "1024" > seta r_customWidth "768" > seta r_mode "-1" > > And the default alsa sound plays with noise and robot-like sometimes. I had > to set it to oss. > > Anyway this is due to id tech 4 engine. The same happens with doom3, quake4 > and quake wars. The solutions are widespread on the net. > > In any other way, perfect. Installation is straightforward nad runs smooth > with high settings on 1280x1024 @ nvidia 7600GT/amd64 3000 > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Dmitri Seletski wrote: > >> yeah, i have 1650x1080(not sure about second value) screen resolution, >> game didn't catch it automatically(used lower resolution instead). >> However it was very well playable and enjoyable on lover resolution. >> I don't really care about multilayer, but I really would like to play >> single player version. with all that wicked gravity and soul riding :) >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:35 AM, DusteD wrote: >> >>> Demo works great. >>> Autodetection for settings failed though, setting quality to low in >>> 1024x768 res. >>> Runs perfectly in 1600x1200 with highest settings. >>> >>> This game will be bought when the full-version installer comes :) >>> >>> Best Regards >>> Jimmy. >>> >>> System info: >>> Kernel: Linux monolithic 2.6.24.2-core2-32bit #1 SMP >>> Dist: Debian Lenny >>> Gfx driver: Nvidia 177.80 >>> Gfx card: GF8800Ultra >>> Cpu: Intel Core2 Duo 3ghz >>> Mem: 2 Gb dual-channel 1666 mhz ddr3 >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to prey-unsubscribe at icculus.org >>> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?68 >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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