From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1236845929.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

That's one reason I thought it was pretty cool that Openbox supported GNOME 2.0, and KDE 3.0.  That way I can get a nice lightweight, and simple combination.


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1236845929.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

# finally, give the session control to the session manager
# Syntax:   ksmserver [--restore] [--windowmanager <wm>]
# if no windowmanager is specified, ksmserver will ensure kwin is started.
# [--restore] should be controlled by kdm
# kwrapper is used to reduce startup time and memory usage
kwrapper ksmserver --restore || \
  xmessage -geometry 500x100 "Couldn't start ksmserver. Check your
  installation."


so add --windowmanager openbox to that line.

A lot of users, however, prefer not to run kde's fullblown services, and they
run kicker and/or kdesktop separately, together with openbox. Whatever works
for you.

> Later,
> James Harr <james at grickle.org>
> 


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1236845946.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

sendToNextWorkspace
sendToPrevWorkspace
    Sends the currently focused  window  to  the  next/previous
    workspace.  Takes  boolean  parameter  that when true switches to
    that workspace as well. If none is specified a value of false is
    assumed.
                        
On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 01:38:09PM -0300, Douglas Adriano Augusto wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Where is sendToNextWorkspace and sendToPrevWorkspace in epistrc?
> 
> Thanks,
> Douglas
> 
> 

-- 
Arwed v. Merkatz
Grimoire Guru for video
Sourcemage GNU/Linux
http://www.sourcemage.org


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1236845976.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

enough in explaining what I meant.

I like Openbox mainly because of many of the design decisions behind it.
To work with it, it helps me to understand what is meant by e.g.  "focus
follows mouse". Ben wrote:

> > On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 01:30:20PM -0400, Ben Jansens wrote:
> > > Follow mouse kind of implies the mouse is moving in order to
> > > follow it. When using keyboard shortcuts, the assumption is that
> > > you would like further keyboard actions to still manipulate the
> > > same window, not a random window depending on where in the focused
> > > window you last left the pointer, and what windows are underneath
> > > it.

Yet I use it in exactly the same way Ben suggests, but I end up with
some window focused according to the pointer location, after some
keyboard manipulation, when I don't touch the mouse.

All I was saying, was that this description does not match current
behaviour. However, I think what Ben describes is a really good idea.
I'd like to see behaviour, but it does not work like that at the moment.

More specifically, if I switch workspaces back and forth using e.g.
keys, I would expect the last focused window on that workspace to be
focused again, as I left it, conform Ben's description.

Summary: Ben, I love the idea you describe, but that's not how it works
right now.

:)

Cheers, Cas





From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1236845976.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

Two openbox's doesn't seem to fight over focus too much anymore,  
although sometimes if I move the mouse from one screen to the other,  
and there's one maximised window on each, both windows will focus for  
an instant and then no window will end up focused. But you have to play  
at it a while to see this problem.

Nice, so there might be a way of supporting two instances of openbox  
without redesigning ob from scratch?

Regards,
	Kacper


From frankpoole at terra.es  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: frankpoole at terra.es (Miguel)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: Loosing focus when iconifing
Message-ID: <mailman.9.1236845988.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

Hi.

I don't know if this is a normal behaviour or a bug but I find annoying
that the focus is lost when I iconify a window. Is this the way that
Openbox should work? Here is my config:

<focus>
  <focusNew>yes</focusNew>
  <followMouse>no</followMouse>
  <focusDelay>0</focusDelay>
  <raiseOnFocus>no</raiseOnFocus>
</focus>



From frankpoole at terra.es  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: frankpoole at terra.es (Miguel)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: [openbox] Loosing focus when iconifing
In-Reply-To: <20040119212037.GA14663@gozer.dminteractive.com>
References: <20040119192213.GKTB29768.fed1mtai07.cox.net@icculus.org>
	<20040119204448.GA13994@rei.moonkingdom.net>
	<400C4601.2010600@serverart.org>
	<20040119212037.GA14663@gozer.dminteractive.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1236845988.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

Mike:

> Focus goes somewhere when a window is closed. For the sake of
> consistency, it should probably do the same when minimized.

That's what I wanted to say. When the focus is in followmouse mode it
makes no sense but when not in that mode I need to select a window through
a mouse click or ALT+TAB after iconifing, why not focus another window
like it's being done with the close action?


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.12.1236846005.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

  elitist
       n : someone who believes in rule by an elite group [ant: {egalitarian}]

Sorry... you're being invited to join that group, so it by definition isn't
elite.  If someone refuses to do work after you demand that they do,
they're not being elitist, they're being responsible.  Hackers almost
without exception would like nothing better for you to join their group, so
they're hardly interested in "ruling".

People who don't get what they want when they stamp their foot love to
throw around the "elitist" comment.  It usually doesn't apply.

-- 
 Marc Wilson |     Up against the net, redneck mother, Mother who has
 msw at cox.net |     raised your son so well; He's seventeen and hackin'
             |     on a Macintosh, Flaming spelling errors and raisin'
             |     hell...


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.13.1236846013.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

@@ -234,8 +234,9 @@
      g_object_unref(context);
      return result;
  */
-    return f->xftfont->ascent + f->xftfont->descent +
-        (f->shadow ? f->offset : 0);
+    gint x, y;
+    font_measure_full(f, " ", &x, &y);
+    return y;

 #endif /* USE_PANGO */
 }

And a question: except that execvp patch, are there
other patches I should apply to 3.3-rc1 ?


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.14.1236846018.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

--
Mikael Magnusson


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.16.1236846033.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

I am still unable to determine if this is a openbox bug or some evil incomatability , but I shall investigate further. If anyone has any ideas or suggestions....

I'm moving into a new house over the weekend, so won't have the time to do any code diving, but look forward to seeing a thread full of discussion when I return to the ether :)

--
Lucas Hazel


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.17.1236846035.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

session.screenX.rootScrollDirection was the option to set ('reverse'),
but I could not seem to find an equivalent in openbox3.



From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.18.1236846036.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

> This SHOULD be set by the Client before mapping to a list of atoms
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> indicating the functional type of the window. This property SHOULD be 
> used by the window manager in determining the decoration, stacking 
> position and other behavior of the window. The Client SHOULD specify 
> window types in order of preference (the first being most preferable) 
> but MUST include at least one of the basic window type atoms from the 
> list below. This is to allow for extension of the list of types whilst 
> providing default behavior for Window Managers that do not recognize the 
> extensions.

Maybe you can unmap your window, change the type and remap it (or another 
window)?

--
Mikael Magnusson


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.19.1236846043.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

static void uniconify(IconWindow *win)
{
  XClientMessageEvent sev;

  sev.type = ClientMessage;
  sev.display = gdk_display;
  sev.format = 32;
  sev.window = win->xwindow;
  sev.message_type = gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom(
      gdk_atom_intern("_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW", FALSE));
  sev.data.l[0] = 0;

  gdk_error_trap_push();

  XSendEvent(gdk_display, DefaultRootWindow(gdk_display), False,
      SubstructureNotifyMask | SubstructureRedirectMask,
      (XEvent *) &sev);
  XSync(gdk_display, False);

  gdk_error_trap_pop();
}


Though my X programming is a bit weak. :)


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.20.1236846046.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

not well formed. obconf then writes a tangled mess, that even
xmllint cannot fix.

I had a backup at that time, but later went with starting over
from the stock config - you could try and fix the syntax error
in the mess and do an xmllint --format.

maybe Im wrong...

peter


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.21.1236846051.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

-- 
Cheers,
Josh


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Thu Mar 12 04:18:45 2009
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:18:45 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.22.1236846071.8552.openbox@icculus.org>

icons were the same size, just closer together.

If you only have padding.width or padding.height, the one not listed will d=
efault to the one that is.   Try it.

Knute=0A=0A=0A      


From neil at fnxweb.com  Fri Mar  6 07:31:18 2009
From: neil at fnxweb.com (Neil Bird)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:31:18 +0000
Subject: Forcing windows to be resizeable?
Message-ID: <49B11796.1080300@fnxweb.com>


   I'd like to force some windows to always come up resizeable/movable 
despite their hinting.  I can't see anything obvious in either the rc.xml's 
application options, nor in devilspie commands.

   I wouldn't even mind running a command like wmctrl for each new windows 
(but I'd rather not), but I can't see how to do that either.

   Am I missing something?

-- 
[neil at fnx ~]# rm -f .signature
[neil at fnx ~]# ls -l .signature
ls: .signature: No such file or directory
[neil at fnx ~]# exit


From danakj at orodu.net  Fri Mar  6 22:07:20 2009
From: danakj at orodu.net (Dana Jansens)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:07:20 -0500
Subject: [openbox] Forcing windows to be resizeable?
In-Reply-To: <49B11796.1080300@fnxweb.com>
References: <49B11796.1080300@fnxweb.com>
Message-ID: <b3502dfb0903061907j48a0f477x16aad1f589a54d23@mail.gmail.com>

2009/3/6 Neil Bird <neil at fnxweb.com>:
>
> ?I'd like to force some windows to always come up resizeable/movable despite
> their hinting. ?I can't see anything obvious in either the rc.xml's
> application options, nor in devilspie commands.
>
> ?I wouldn't even mind running a command like wmctrl for each new windows
> (but I'd rather not), but I can't see how to do that either.
>
> ?Am I missing something?

If a window can't be resized, and you managed to force it to resize
somehow, it's pretty likely that it's not going to behave how you are
expecting, or well at all.  If it's possible I'd go after the
application which has such badly designed windows and get it fixed
there so it will actually resize.


Dana


From pc_warner at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  7 08:16:48 2009
From: pc_warner at yahoo.com (Phillip Warner)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 05:16:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [openbox] fluxbox-like tabs via external tool ?
In-Reply-To: <50f8ab160902090629w36770a3fj6762377232496dfc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <136117.94558.qm@web57705.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Stepan <zelvicka at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am happy fluxbox user. Now I am tempted to switch to
> openbox, but I
> would miss tabs
> (=auto-grouped windows with tab over group - see
> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/features/tabs.php).
> I am aware that openbox developers are not going to add
> tabs into
> openbox itself.
> 
> So my question is: Is there any way to get at least part of
> this
> functionality into openbox via some
> tool? I am looking  for some tool that creates window with
> tab-bar and
> allow other applications to
> be run inside, creating one tab for each.
> 
> Thanks for any advice
> Stepan
> 
Stepan, I am in a similar position as you.  I, too, am quite find of fluxbox's tabbing (and pseudo-transparent root menu w/ icons), but I much prefer Openbox's popups (window switching, client menu, key modes), and the Openbox developers seem more Open to suggestions ;)  

One suggestion that I have for you is to try and treat workspaces like windows and the application windows as tabs.  You can assign certain applications to be "grouped" this way.  You can add/delete workspaces as necessary.  Have your configs perform multiple actions based upon key commands.

However, you also could do something similar to what was previously suggested: use tabbed programs.  This by itself is not that wonderful, though.  You can use wmctrl and xdotool to automate the "grouping" for tabbed programs.  This works because wmctrl can find and raise the program, and xdotool can simulate the keystrokes needed to open another tab.  I attached a script that I wrote to implement this.  Unfortunately, you cannot mix programs as you can with fluxbox (unless they are all terminal programs ;)   ).  Also, don't let you fingers linger on the keys when using xdotool, or else the buttons you are pressing will get added to the simulated keystrokes!

Right now, for instance, I use mrxvt as my terminal and typically nano for my text editor.  I like having my terminals grouped and my text editors grouped.  I also like having my text editors on the right side at a certain size.  I use the groupapp script (attached) to perform all of this.  I simply assign:
  groupapp nano.mrxvt.XTerm "mrxvt -name nano.mrxvt -tt nano -e nano" "ctrl+shift+F3" "0,660,0,361,713"
to ctrl+alt+n in my Openbox config.  Similarly, I assign:
  groupapp mrxvt.XTerm "mrxvt" "ctrl+shift+t"
to ctrl+alt+z, which is what I like to open terminals.  This works really well.

I would also suggest that if you place and resize windows using the attached script, that you pre-place them using the openbox config.  The window will be first placed according to Openbox, and then the script will move/resize it.  If the window is already where it will be, then no annoying jumping will occur.  If you just place the window using Openbox, then the placement might be wrong after resizing it.

Since you want unicode support, Stepan, I would suggest that you try using rxvt-unicode (urxvt).  urxvt does support tabbing (though not as nice as mrxvt's) if you enable the perl extension.  Be sure to disable any other perl extensions that you don't need to keep the program light.  I don't know of any other light terminals that support unicode and tabbing (perhaps lxde's lxterminal???).

Using the above mentioned tools you should be able to configure Openbox to provide close to what you want.  If not, then you could either try to patch Openbox or fluxbox.  You could also use something like superswitcher or a zenity/wmctrl combo for the missing alt-tab/client menu popups in fluxbox, and perhaps xosd for the others.

--Phillip


      
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From jmvidalvia at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 14:20:00 2009
From: jmvidalvia at gmail.com (Jose M Vidal)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:20:00 +0100
Subject: Removing icon from window frames
Message-ID: <da47e4860903081120l35a63be3t1b3128c8de62f5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!
I like to work with no icons in my desktop.
Is there any way to remove the app icon you always find in the up-left
corner of every window?
Thanks a lot!

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From jmvidalvia at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 14:25:11 2009
From: jmvidalvia at gmail.com (Jose M Vidal)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:25:11 +0100
Subject: Editing client-list-menu
Message-ID: <da47e4860903081125l7c1e2d56tb8748c3d2da85fc7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Is there any way to edit the client-list-menu?
I would like to remove "add new desktop" and "remove desktop" links, which I
never use.
Thanks!

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From delcides at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 15:46:09 2009
From: delcides at gmail.com (Delcides F. Sousa Jr)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:46:09 -0300
Subject: [openbox] Editing client-list-menu
In-Reply-To: <da47e4860903081125l7c1e2d56tb8748c3d2da85fc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da47e4860903081125l7c1e2d56tb8748c3d2da85fc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99411720903081246v4c772ca1k3cd41921dda10974@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Jose M Vidal <jmvidalvia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there any way to edit the client-list-menu?
> I would like to remove "add new desktop" and "remove desktop" links, which I
> never use.
> Thanks!
>
> --
> jm
>

Edit your rc.xml :

          <manageDesktops>no</manageDesktops>

Delcides.


From delcides at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 15:49:00 2009
From: delcides at gmail.com (Delcides F. Sousa Jr)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 16:49:00 -0300
Subject: [openbox] Removing icon from window frames
In-Reply-To: <da47e4860903081120l35a63be3t1b3128c8de62f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da47e4860903081120l35a63be3t1b3128c8de62f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99411720903081249v61bd4344t1957ccd0c0b23b81@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Jose M Vidal <jmvidalvia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
> I like to work with no icons in my desktop.
> Is there any way to remove the app icon you always find in the up-left
> corner of every window?
> Thanks a lot!
>
> --
> jm
>

  Open ObConf, go to Appearence tab and remove the "N" letter from the
string at "Button order".

Delcides.


From jmvidalvia at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 15:53:03 2009
From: jmvidalvia at gmail.com (Jose M Vidal)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:53:03 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Removing icon from window frames
In-Reply-To: <f99411720903081249v61bd4344t1957ccd0c0b23b81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da47e4860903081120l35a63be3t1b3128c8de62f5@mail.gmail.com>
	 <f99411720903081249v61bd4344t1957ccd0c0b23b81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da47e4860903081253x31ffd6bdo8ea79aa560e3e277@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Delcides F. Sousa Jr <delcides at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Jose M Vidal <jmvidalvia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi!
> > I like to work with no icons in my desktop.
> > Is there any way to remove the app icon you always find in the up-left
> > corner of every window?
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > --
> > jm
> >
>
>   Open ObConf, go to Appearence tab and remove the "N" letter from the
> string at "Button order".
>
> Delcides.
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to openbox-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?24
>
>
>


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From jmvidalvia at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 15:53:19 2009
From: jmvidalvia at gmail.com (Jose M Vidal)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:53:19 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Editing client-list-menu
In-Reply-To: <f99411720903081246v4c772ca1k3cd41921dda10974@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da47e4860903081125l7c1e2d56tb8748c3d2da85fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	 <f99411720903081246v4c772ca1k3cd41921dda10974@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da47e4860903081253waad186aka995206059c54115@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Delcides F. Sousa Jr <delcides at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Jose M Vidal <jmvidalvia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Is there any way to edit the client-list-menu?
> > I would like to remove "add new desktop" and "remove desktop" links,
> which I
> > never use.
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > jm
> >
>
> Edit your rc.xml :
>
>          <manageDesktops>no</manageDesktops>
>
> Delcides.
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to openbox-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?24
>
>
>


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From jmvidalvia at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 15:56:29 2009
From: jmvidalvia at gmail.com (Jose M Vidal)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:56:29 +0100
Subject: Closing decoration windows
Message-ID: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>

You can fix an app with right-click and "decorar" (ES)  (sorry, I ignore
what you find in English)
How can you close it once it is fixed to the desktop?
I use [ps-aux | grep appname] and kill it, but it is not really
user-friendly
;-)
Thanks!

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From dougb at dougbarton.us  Sun Mar  8 17:17:38 2009
From: dougb at dougbarton.us (Doug Barton)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:17:38 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B435F2.2050907@dougbarton.us>

Jose M Vidal wrote:
> You can fix an app with right-click and "decorar" (ES)  (sorry, I ignore
> what you find in English)
> How can you close it once it is fixed to the desktop?

Even after the window is undecorated there is a very small line at the
top for resizing. Position your mouse over that, right click,
re-decorate the window and then close it.

This is of course assuming there is no way to exit from within the
application itself, which there usually is.


hope this helps,

Doug


From delcides at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 17:27:47 2009
From: delcides at gmail.com (Delcides F. Sousa Jr)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:27:47 -0300
Subject: [openbox] Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99411720903081427j34627b89n4d6baf35e8b51545@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jose M Vidal <jmvidalvia at gmail.com> wrote:
> You can fix an app with right-click and "decorar" (ES)? (sorry, I ignore
> what you find in English)
> How can you close it once it is fixed to the desktop?
> I use [ps-aux | grep appname] and kill it, but it is not really
> user-friendly
> ;-)
> Thanks!
>
> --
> jm
>

If I understand correctly, you're using the client-menu to remove
decorations ( titlebar )
from a window and then you're not able to close it anymore, except by
killing it. Is that right ?
You have a number of options:

1. Bind key(s) to the "Close" action ( default, again from rc.xml, is Alt-F4)
2. Same for "ToggleDecoration" ( see
http://icculus.org/openbox/index.ph/Help:Actions#Introduction
    for the complete list of actions available to mouse and keyboard bindings).

Strictly speaking, your app is not "fixed". You can move the window
around by holding the Alt key, left-click and drag.


Delcides.


From jmvidalvia at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 17:50:29 2009
From: jmvidalvia at gmail.com (Jose M Vidal)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:50:29 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <49B435F2.2050907@dougbarton.us>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
	 <49B435F2.2050907@dougbarton.us>
Message-ID: <da47e4860903081450u56dfe8eao32f7ab100bebdeea@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, It helped.
Thanks!

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Doug Barton <dougb at dougbarton.us> wrote:

> Jose M Vidal wrote:
> > You can fix an app with right-click and "decorar" (ES)  (sorry, I ignore
> > what you find in English)
> > How can you close it once it is fixed to the desktop?
>
> Even after the window is undecorated there is a very small line at the
> top for resizing. Position your mouse over that, right click,
> re-decorate the window and then close it.
>
> This is of course assuming there is no way to exit from within the
> application itself, which there usually is.
>
>
> hope this helps,
>
> Doug
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to openbox-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?24
>
>
>


-- 
jm
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From jmvidalvia at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 17:51:25 2009
From: jmvidalvia at gmail.com (Jose M Vidal)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:51:25 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <f99411720903081427j34627b89n4d6baf35e8b51545@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
	 <f99411720903081427j34627b89n4d6baf35e8b51545@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da47e4860903081451m4d850479x28a84a16835f6dac@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the tip.
I am afraid the link is broken....
:)



On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Delcides F. Sousa Jr <delcides at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Jose M Vidal <jmvidalvia at gmail.com> wrote:
> > You can fix an app with right-click and "decorar" (ES)  (sorry, I ignore
> > what you find in English)
> > How can you close it once it is fixed to the desktop?
> > I use [ps-aux | grep appname] and kill it, but it is not really
> > user-friendly
> > ;-)
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > jm
> >
>
> If I understand correctly, you're using the client-menu to remove
> decorations ( titlebar )
> from a window and then you're not able to close it anymore, except by
> killing it. Is that right ?
> You have a number of options:
>
> 1. Bind key(s) to the "Close" action ( default, again from rc.xml, is
> Alt-F4)
> 2. Same for "ToggleDecoration" ( see
> http://icculus.org/openbox/index.ph/Help:Actions#Introduction
>    for the complete list of actions available to mouse and keyboard
> bindings).
>
> Strictly speaking, your app is not "fixed". You can move the window
> around by holding the Alt key, left-click and drag.
>
>
> Delcides.
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to openbox-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?24
>
>
>


-- 
jm
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From lists at bak.och.fr.am  Sun Mar  8 17:57:49 2009
From: lists at bak.och.fr.am (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:57:49 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <da47e4860903081451m4d850479x28a84a16835f6dac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>  <f99411720903081427j34627b89n4d6baf35e8b51545@mail.gmail.com> <da47e4860903081451m4d850479x28a84a16835f6dac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903082256010.5651@localhost>

On Sun, 8 Mar 2009, Jose M Vidal wrote:

> Thanks for the tip.
> I am afraid the link is broken....
> :)

Please don't top post, and please don't make 3 threads within 10 minutes, 
just ask everything in one mail.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From jmvidalvia at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 18:13:03 2009
From: jmvidalvia at gmail.com (Jose M Vidal)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:13:03 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903082256010.5651@localhost>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
	 <f99411720903081427j34627b89n4d6baf35e8b51545@mail.gmail.com>
	 <da47e4860903081451m4d850479x28a84a16835f6dac@mail.gmail.com>
	 <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903082256010.5651@localhost>
Message-ID: <da47e4860903081513i691dda75yded4f598a6d8ecf0@mail.gmail.com>

>Please don't top post:

Sorry, I did't know I mustn't.

> and please don't make 3 threads within 10 minutes, just ask everything in one mail:

Sorry, I thought different issues should create different e-mails (as
I am use to do in forums)

My appologies!
:(


From delcides at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 19:12:51 2009
From: delcides at gmail.com (Delcides F. Sousa Jr)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:12:51 -0300
Subject: [openbox] Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <da47e4860903081451m4d850479x28a84a16835f6dac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
	 <f99411720903081427j34627b89n4d6baf35e8b51545@mail.gmail.com>
	 <da47e4860903081451m4d850479x28a84a16835f6dac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99411720903081612g42c6c4braa61eacd38f5cfa7@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Jose M Vidal <jmvidalvia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the tip.
> I am afraid the link is broken....
> :)
>
Yep. Missed a "p" while copy/pasting - correct one below.

http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:Actions#Introduction


Delcides.


From dh at triple-media.com  Mon Mar  9 02:11:35 2009
From: dh at triple-media.com (Dennis Heuer)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:11:35 +0100
Subject: just a small note to openbox and xsm
Message-ID: <20090309071135.0b10fd22@foo.net>

hello

i am one of those who refuse to entangle in modern integrated desktop
philosopies. because there's no independent session manager out there
except of the good old xsm, my desktop still speaks the X Session
Management Protocol. openbox seems to not speak this language. at least
the logout entry in the menue doesn't work. please think about
supporting xsm.

i don't understand the case well and would like some explanation to it.
is there already a new freedesktop.org standard or do the desktops all
different today?

many thanks,
dennis heuer


From jvromans at squirrel.nl  Mon Mar  9 18:54:32 2009
From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans)
Date: 09 Mar 2009 23:54:32 +0100
Subject: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <49B435F2.2050907@dougbarton.us>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B435F2.2050907@dougbarton.us>
Message-ID: <m2prgqqpcn.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl>

Doug Barton <dougb at dougbarton.us> writes:

> Even after the window is undecorated there is a very small line at the
> top for resizing.

When I undecorate a window, there are no borders anymore...

-- Johan



From dougb at dougbarton.us  Mon Mar  9 18:59:18 2009
From: dougb at dougbarton.us (Doug Barton)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:59:18 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <m2prgqqpcn.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>	<49B435F2.2050907@dougbarton.us> <m2prgqqpcn.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
Message-ID: <49B59F46.5040403@dougbarton.us>

Johan Vromans wrote:
> Doug Barton <dougb at dougbarton.us> writes:
> 
>> Even after the window is undecorated there is a very small line at the
>> top for resizing.
> 
> When I undecorate a window, there are no borders anymore...

It isn't visible. Move the mouse slowly from inside the application to
outside the application and you'll see the pointer change briefly to
the "resize" shape. Stop it at that point and right click.


hth,

Doug


From jvromans at squirrel.nl  Tue Mar 10 07:32:51 2009
From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans)
Date: 10 Mar 2009 12:32:51 +0100
Subject: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <49B59F46.5040403@dougbarton.us>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B435F2.2050907@dougbarton.us> <m2prgqqpcn.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
	<49B59F46.5040403@dougbarton.us>
Message-ID: <m2ocw9y5ng.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl>

Doug Barton <dougb at dougbarton.us> writes:

> It isn't visible. Move the mouse slowly from inside the application to
> outside the application and you'll see the pointer change briefly to
> the "resize" shape. Stop it at that point and right click.

You really think I didn't try that? ;)

When I move the pointer slowly from inside (e.g. a text window) to
outside the pointer changes from I-beam to arrow. No resize shape :(

You can find my setup at
http://johan.vromans.org/articles/MyDesktop/ob.html

-- Johan


From papa.eric at free.fr  Tue Mar 10 08:52:37 2009
From: papa.eric at free.fr (papa.eric at free.fr)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:52:37 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Openbox] Cannot select a menu item with keyboard ?
In-Reply-To: <1651873865.1687551236688478015.JavaMail.root@spooler9-g27.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <1670699548.1690581236689557774.JavaMail.root@spooler9-g27.priv.proxad.net>

Hi openbox helpers,

After trying Openbox I liked it so began to configure it (on Arch Linux).

My very first move was to bind a key (W-Tab) to the list of applications (same as middle mouse button on root window), to be able to switch app with the keyboeard (W-Tab, arrows, then return).

... and the only way to choose a menu item seems to mouse click it !!! sad  is it possible to activate the selection with the return key ?

Thanks for any help.


From knuteh at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 09:21:11 2009
From: knuteh at yahoo.com (Knute)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:21:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <m2ocw9y5ng.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
Message-ID: <602030.99553.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>



--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Johan Vromans <jvromans at squirrel.nl> wrote:

> From: Johan Vromans <jvromans at squirrel.nl>
> Subject: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
> To: openbox at icculus.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 6:32 AM
> Doug Barton <dougb at dougbarton.us> writes:
> 
> > It isn't visible. Move the mouse slowly from
> inside the application to
> > outside the application and you'll see the pointer
> change briefly to
> > the "resize" shape. Stop it at that point
> and right click.
> 
> You really think I didn't try that? ;)
> 
> When I move the pointer slowly from inside (e.g. a text
> window) to
> outside the pointer changes from I-beam to arrow. No resize
> shape :(
> 
> You can find my setup at
> http://johan.vromans.org/articles/MyDesktop/ob.html
> 
> -- Johan

There is another option that you have.

For those windows that you need to resize, and whatever, but don't want the titlebar, you can still keep the borders.   

In the rc.xml, in the applications section in the decor portion, you can get rid of the titlebar and keep the borders.

I have one window that I have set up that way.  It works nicely to let me know if that window is focused or not (when I pay attention to the border color that is.... hehehe).

An alternative is that you can set up keybindings to move or resize your windows.  That's not to difficult to set up either.

HTH,
Knute


      


From lists at bak.och.fr.am  Tue Mar 10 09:31:28 2009
From: lists at bak.och.fr.am (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:31:28 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903101431001.30486@localhost>

On Sun, 8 Mar 2009, Jose M Vidal wrote:

> You can fix an app with right-click and "decorar" (ES)  (sorry, I ignore
> what you find in English)
> How can you close it once it is fixed to the desktop?
> I use [ps-aux | grep appname] and kill it, but it is not really
> user-friendly
> ;-)
> Thanks!

Just focus the window and press alt-space, and this menu will be 
displayed. From here you can either redisplay the window decorations or 
close the window.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From fsat at list.ru  Tue Mar 10 09:32:32 2009
From: fsat at list.ru (Ruslan A. Bondar)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:32:32 +0300
Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?Re=3A_[openbox]_[Openbox]_Cannot_select_a_menu_item_with_keyboard_=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <1670699548.1690581236689557774.JavaMail.root@spooler9-g27.priv.proxad.net>
References: <1670699548.1690581236689557774.JavaMail.root@spooler9-g27.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <E1Lh24O-000Gtf-00.fsat-list-ru@f118.mail.ru>

I have the following in my rc.xml file.
    <keybind key="W-Tab">
      <action name="ShowMenu">
        <menu>client-list-combined-menu</menu>
      </action>
    </keybind>

And everything works fine. Maybe something is grabbing your keyboard or focus (firefox likes such a things).

-----Original Message-----
From: papa.eric at free.fr
To: openbox at icculus.org
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:52:37 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] [Openbox] Cannot select a menu item with keyboard ?

> Hi openbox helpers,
> 
> After trying Openbox I liked it so began to configure it (on Arch Linux).
> 
> My very first move was to bind a key (W-Tab) to the list of applications (same as middle mouse button on root window), to be able to switch app with the keyboeard (W-Tab, arrows, then return).
> 
> ... and the only way to choose a menu item seems to mouse click it !!! sad  is it possible to activate the selection with the return key ?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to openbox-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?24
> 
> 



From lists at bak.och.fr.am  Tue Mar 10 09:33:35 2009
From: lists at bak.och.fr.am (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:33:35 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <m2ocw9y5ng.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
References: <da47e4860903081256ve195d5cob83946c3e81918e5@mail.gmail.com> <49B435F2.2050907@dougbarton.us> <m2prgqqpcn.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl> <49B59F46.5040403@dougbarton.us> <m2ocw9y5ng.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903101433130.30486@localhost>

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Johan Vromans wrote:

> Doug Barton <dougb at dougbarton.us> writes:
>
>> It isn't visible. Move the mouse slowly from inside the application to
>> outside the application and you'll see the pointer change briefly to
>> the "resize" shape. Stop it at that point and right click.
>
> You really think I didn't try that? ;)
>
> When I move the pointer slowly from inside (e.g. a text window) to
> outside the pointer changes from I-beam to arrow. No resize shape :(

The border is only kept if you have the keepBorder option on.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From enberg at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 09:47:41 2009
From: enberg at gmail.com (Henrik Enberg)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:47:41 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <602030.99553.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <m2ocw9y5ng.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
	 <602030.99553.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39c32e920903100647p74e2786exf11a8b665f5c288c@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Knute <knuteh at yahoo.com> wrote:
> In the rc.xml, in the applications section in the decor portion, you can get rid of the titlebar and keep the borders.

How would that work then?  As far as I can see, it's a boolean option
of all decor or none.


From papa.eric at free.fr  Tue Mar 10 10:17:38 2009
From: papa.eric at free.fr (papa.eric at free.fr)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:17:38 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Cannot select a menu item with keyboard ?
In-Reply-To: <1091514279.1702791236693823835.JavaMail.root@spooler9-g27.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <1307316405.1705721236694658157.JavaMail.root@spooler9-g27.priv.proxad.net>

> I have the following in my rc.xml file.
>     <keybind key="W-Tab">
>       <action name="ShowMenu">
>         <menu>client-list-combined-menu</menu>
>       </action>
>     </keybind>
> 
> And everything works fine. Maybe something is grabbing your keyboard
> or focus (firefox likes such a things).

That's exactly my keybind. Happy to know it should work (so it will enventually :) )

I have focus follow mouse, this could interfere, however the arrow keys do work to navigate the menu, so I suppose it has the focus. Is it possible that e.g. firefox grabs the return key and only it ??? Or that the menu does not have focus but the arrow key still work ?

I will try to remove focus follows mouse, and also without firefox on screen.


From lists at bak.och.fr.am  Tue Mar 10 10:20:41 2009
From: lists at bak.och.fr.am (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:20:41 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Cannot select a menu item with keyboard ?
In-Reply-To: <1307316405.1705721236694658157.JavaMail.root@spooler9-g27.priv.proxad.net>
References: <1307316405.1705721236694658157.JavaMail.root@spooler9-g27.priv.proxad.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903101520280.10059@localhost>

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, papa.eric at free.fr wrote:

>> I have the following in my rc.xml file.
>>     <keybind key="W-Tab">
>>       <action name="ShowMenu">
>>         <menu>client-list-combined-menu</menu>
>>       </action>
>>     </keybind>
>>
>> And everything works fine. Maybe something is grabbing your keyboard
>> or focus (firefox likes such a things).
>
> That's exactly my keybind. Happy to know it should work (so it will enventually :) )
>
> I have focus follow mouse, this could interfere, however the arrow keys do work to navigate the menu, so I suppose it has the focus. Is it possible that e.g. firefox grabs the return key and only it ??? Or that the menu does not have focus but the arrow key still work ?
>
> I will try to remove focus follows mouse, and also without firefox on screen.

Are you using the enter key on the numpad?

--
Mikael Magnusson


From dh at triple-media.com  Tue Mar 10 11:07:00 2009
From: dh at triple-media.com (Dennis Heuer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:07:00 +0100
Subject: json as config format!?
Message-ID: <20090310160700.453ad8d4@foo.net>

hello

the more i look at the config files the more i wished a gui for them.
for a luck, the situation isn't so bad with obconf and obmenue.
however, looking at how compact and complicated even small
definitions look in XML, i wanted to mention JSON as a possibly better
format. just look at the both examples below:

<keybind key="S-A-Up">
  <action name="SendToDesktopUp">
    <dialog>no</dialog>
    <wrap>no</wrap>
  </action>
</keybind>


{"keybind": {"key": "S-A-UP",
    {"action": {"name": "SendToDesktopUp",
        {
          "dialog": "no",
          "wrap": "no"
} } } } }

i find that in json one better finds the actual declarations between
all this containment. ok, json may make heavy use of quotes (and
brackets). however, if one agrees inofficially that a future json could
also support symbols, like lisp does, the code could look like this:

{keybind: {key: "S-A-UP",
  {action: {name: "SendToDesktopUp",
    {dialog: "no", wrap: "no"}
  } }
} } 

just an idea,
dennis


From ht at inf.ed.ac.uk  Tue Mar 10 11:26:44 2009
From: ht at inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:26:44 +0000
Subject: [openbox] json as config format!?
In-Reply-To: <20090310160700.453ad8d4@foo.net> (Dennis Heuer's message of "Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:07:00 +0100")
References: <20090310160700.453ad8d4@foo.net>
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Dennis Heuer writes:

> the more i look at the config files . . . i wanted to mention JSON
> as a possibly better format.

Arghh!!  Please don't go there!  We already _have_ excellent GUIs for
editing XML, and code for parsing it reliably, and it handles
non-American languages, and . . . just say NO!

ht
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From lists at bak.och.fr.am  Tue Mar 10 14:19:12 2009
From: lists at bak.och.fr.am (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:19:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] json as config format!?
In-Reply-To: <20090310160700.453ad8d4@foo.net>
References: <20090310160700.453ad8d4@foo.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903101917360.22510@localhost>

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Dennis Heuer wrote:

> hello
>
> the more i look at the config files the more i wished a gui for them.
> for a luck, the situation isn't so bad with obconf and obmenue.
> however, looking at how compact and complicated even small
> definitions look in XML, i wanted to mention JSON as a possibly better
> format. just look at the both examples below:
>
> <keybind key="S-A-Up">
>  <action name="SendToDesktopUp">
>    <dialog>no</dialog>
>    <wrap>no</wrap>
>  </action>
> </keybind>
>
>
> {"keybind": {"key": "S-A-UP",
>    {"action": {"name": "SendToDesktopUp",
>        {
>          "dialog": "no",
>          "wrap": "no"
> } } } } }
>
> i find that in json one better finds the actual declarations between
> all this containment. ok, json may make heavy use of quotes (and
> brackets). however, if one agrees inofficially that a future json could
> also support symbols, like lisp does, the code could look like this:
>
> {keybind: {key: "S-A-UP",
>  {action: {name: "SendToDesktopUp",
>    {dialog: "no", wrap: "no"}
>  } }
> } }

I find the json version pretty unreadable personally, and since my opinion 
is the most important one, + we're not going to change the config format 
anyway, consider this a no. :)

It also looks like a missing } in that format would be much harder to 
diagnose than xml, which helpfully mentions in each closing tag which 
opening tag it was supposed to match, so it is very easy for the parser to 
find errors.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From danakj at orodu.net  Tue Mar 10 16:46:46 2009
From: danakj at orodu.net (Dana Jansens)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:46:46 -0400
Subject: [openbox] just a small note to openbox and xsm
In-Reply-To: <20090309071135.0b10fd22@foo.net>
References: <20090309071135.0b10fd22@foo.net>
Message-ID: <b3502dfb0903101346g7c21a4f5p4cc54d146bc3646@mail.gmail.com>

2009/3/9 Dennis Heuer <dh at triple-media.com>:
> hello
>
> i am one of those who refuse to entangle in modern integrated desktop
> philosopies. because there's no independent session manager out there
> except of the good old xsm, my desktop still speaks the X Session
> Management Protocol. openbox seems to not speak this language. at least
> the logout entry in the menue doesn't work. please think about
> supporting xsm.

which menu ?  openbox's menu ?  it would simply exit openbox.  it is
however capable of working with the SM protocol, and functions as a
managed client, and saves open window positions, desktops, etc.

> i don't understand the case well and would like some explanation to it.
> is there already a new freedesktop.org standard or do the desktops all
> different today?

it's all done thru the XSM protocol, which has been around a long time.


From knuteh at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 10 19:23:18 2009
From: knuteh at yahoo.com (Knute)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:23:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <39c32e920903100647p74e2786exf11a8b665f5c288c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <442548.9316.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>



--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Henrik Enberg <enberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Henrik Enberg <enberg at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
> To: openbox at icculus.org
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 8:47 AM
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Knute
> <knuteh at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > In the rc.xml, in the applications section in the
> decor portion, you can get rid of the titlebar and keep the
> borders.
> 
> How would that work then?  As far as I can see, it's a
> boolean option
> of all decor or none.

Actually, it's really easy to do.

Here's an excerpt from my rc.xml:

  <application class="tvtime">
      <position>
        <x>-0</x>
        <y>-0</y>
      </position>
      <decor>
        <titlebar>no</titlebar>
        <borders>yes</borders>
      </decor>
    </application>

Yeah, tvtime.  I like to be able to manually resize it, and sometimes, I use the mouse, and sometimes the keyboard.   This keeps the titlebar hidden, but the borders are still there.
And it also set's it down in the lower right-hand corner for me.  :)

I can't remember where I found that info, but it works.  :)

HTH,
Knute



      


From papa.eric at free.fr  Tue Mar 10 19:41:17 2009
From: papa.eric at free.fr (Eric Dedieu)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:41:17 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Cannot select a menu item with keyboard ?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903101520280.10059@localhost>
References: <1307316405.1705721236694658157.JavaMail.root@spooler9-g27.priv.proxad.net>
 <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903101520280.10059@localhost>
Message-ID: <20090311004117.37e4b55b@free.fr>

> Are you using the enter key on the numpad?

No, but it doesn't work, either.

Actually, all keys seem to work: arrows, ESC to close the menu, letters
as shortcuts when they are underlined in the app's title... only return
won't (and enter, and I also tried ^M).

I have tried to reinstall the initial config files, changes nothing...

Here is an excerpt of what I get with startx from
the console

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
expected keysym, got dead_currency: line 501 of fr
expected keysym, got dead_belowcomma: line 509 of fr
The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
> Warning:          Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2
> symbols Ignoring extra symbols
Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

"man xkbcomp" is quite cryptic for me... is it possible that this error
has corrupted my keyboard somewhere and only the menus (for now) can
see it ? (anyway xfce's menus are ok, only openbox behaves this way).

Eric


From delcides at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 02:27:18 2009
From: delcides at gmail.com (Delcides F. Sousa Jr)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:27:18 -0300
Subject: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <442548.9316.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <39c32e920903100647p74e2786exf11a8b665f5c288c@mail.gmail.com>
	 <442548.9316.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f99411720903102327g32c761eale402b7e1a752f910@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Knute <knuteh at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Henrik Enberg <enberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Henrik Enberg <enberg at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
>> To: openbox at icculus.org
>> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 8:47 AM
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Knute
>> <knuteh at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > In the rc.xml, in the applications section in the
>> decor portion, you can get rid of the titlebar and keep the
>> borders.
>>
>> How would that work then? ?As far as I can see, it's a
>> boolean option
>> of all decor or none.
>
> Actually, it's really easy to do.
>
> Here's an excerpt from my rc.xml:
>
> ?<application class="tvtime">
> ? ? ?<position>
> ? ? ? ?<x>-0</x>
> ? ? ? ?<y>-0</y>
> ? ? ?</position>
> ? ? ?<decor>
> ? ? ? ?<titlebar>no</titlebar>
> ? ? ? ?<borders>yes</borders>
> ? ? ?</decor>
> ? ?</application>
>
> Yeah, tvtime. ?I like to be able to manually resize it, and sometimes, I use the mouse, and sometimes the keyboard. ? This keeps the titlebar hidden, but the borders are still there.
> And it also set's it down in the lower right-hand corner for me. ?:)
>
> I can't remember where I found that info, but it works. ?:)
>
> HTH,
> Knute
>
>


  Well, it doesn't work here.  I checked the "border retention" option
on obconf and tried to customize xterm, using:

<application class="XTerm">
      <decor>
        <titlebar>no</titlebar>
        <borders>no</borders>
      </decor>
</application>

 It didn't work and according to Openbox docs, it wasn't supposed to. :-)

 So, would you mind telling what's your version and patch ?

Cheers,

Delcides.


From openbox at jelmail.com  Wed Mar 11 07:09:02 2009
From: openbox at jelmail.com (openbox at jelmail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:09:02 -0400
Subject: Using screen size in key bindings
Message-ID: <380-2200933111192148@M2W016.mail2web.com>

Hello,
I've just signed up to Openbox and like it so far. I have written some key
bindings to relocate windows in a similar fashion to the windows programs
"SplitView" and "Winsplit Revolution". 

For example I press W+Home and the active window is moved and resized so it
occupies the top left quadrant of the screen.

I have done this by hard coding the window size based on the dimensions of
my screen. I have a 1920x1200 display so my key binding resizes the window
to a width of 960 and a height of 600.

Now, what I would like to do is somehow tell openbox to use screenwidth/2
and screenheight/2 so moving to a different screen or resolution would not
require the keybindings to be changed.

I can't see anything in the documentation to indicate that this is
supported. If it is then great, but if not would it be the kind of thing
that might be considered as an enhancement request ?

Thanks,
John


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From neil at fnxweb.com  Wed Mar 11 05:59:19 2009
From: neil at fnxweb.com (Neil Bird)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:59:19 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Forcing windows to be resizeable?
In-Reply-To: <b3502dfb0903061907j48a0f477x16aad1f589a54d23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49B11796.1080300@fnxweb.com> <b3502dfb0903061907j48a0f477x16aad1f589a54d23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B78B77.1070205@fnxweb.com>

Around about 07/03/09 03:07, Dana Jansens typed ...
> If a window can't be resized, and you managed to force it to resize
> somehow, it's pretty likely that it's not going to behave how you are
> expecting, or well at all.  If it's possible I'd go after the
> application which has such badly designed windows and get it fixed
> there so it will actually resize.

   Understood;  it was the movability of the thing that was more what I was
interested in (IIRC it's the GNOME keyring password entry box that, in the
seemingly ever increasing fascist nature of the GNOME devs,  takes over
*everything* and dumps itself immovably in the middle of the screen.

   I wanted to be able to move it out of the way until I was ready for it.

-- 
[neil at fnx ~]# rm -f .signature
[neil at fnx ~]# ls -l .signature
ls: .signature: No such file or directory
[neil at fnx ~]# exit




From lists at bak.och.fr.am  Wed Mar 11 07:27:46 2009
From: lists at bak.och.fr.am (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:27:46 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Forcing windows to be resizeable?
In-Reply-To: <49B78B77.1070205@fnxweb.com>
References: <49B11796.1080300@fnxweb.com> <b3502dfb0903061907j48a0f477x16aad1f589a54d23@mail.gmail.com> <49B78B77.1070205@fnxweb.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903111225450.24293@localhost>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Neil Bird wrote:

> Around about 07/03/09 03:07, Dana Jansens typed ...
>>  If a window can't be resized, and you managed to force it to resize
>>  somehow, it's pretty likely that it's not going to behave how you are
>>  expecting, or well at all.  If it's possible I'd go after the
>>  application which has such badly designed windows and get it fixed
>>  there so it will actually resize.
>
>  Understood;  it was the movability of the thing that was more what I was
> interested in (IIRC it's the GNOME keyring password entry box that, in the
> seemingly ever increasing fascist nature of the GNOME devs,  takes over
> *everything* and dumps itself immovably in the middle of the screen.
>
>  I wanted to be able to move it out of the way until I was ready for it.

In that case it probably isn't even a window, just some widgets drawn on 
top of a static screenshot of what you had on screen before it appeared. 
Stuff like that is why I haven't upgraded from gnupg 1.4.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From jvromans at squirrel.nl  Wed Mar 11 08:00:47 2009
From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans)
Date: 11 Mar 2009 13:00:47 +0100
Subject: Modal dialog for prompts
Message-ID: <m2ab7s2rrk.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl>

I have set the policy to FocusFollowsMouse, with RaiseOnFocus. If I
pop-up a menu and selects an item that has <prompt> set, a dialog pops
up. However, if the mouse is currently in a window, this window will
raise and obscure the dialog. This is particularly annoying with
"Logout". 

Shouldn't the dialog be modal, always focus and on top?

-- Johan
   http://johan.vromans.org/articles/MyDesktop .




From knuteh at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 09:09:01 2009
From: knuteh at yahoo.com (Knute)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:09:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <f99411720903102327g32c761eale402b7e1a752f910@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <526791.38500.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>



--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Delcides F. Sousa Jr <delcides at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Delcides F. Sousa Jr <delcides at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
> To: openbox at icculus.org
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 1:27 AM
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Knute
> <knuteh at yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>
> >
> > Here's an excerpt from my rc.xml:
> >
> > ?<application class="tvtime">
> > ? ? ?<position>
> > ? ? ? ?<x>-0</x>
> > ? ? ? ?<y>-0</y>
> > ? ? ?</position>
> > ? ? ?<decor>
> > ? ? ? ?<titlebar>no</titlebar>
> > ? ? ? ?<borders>yes</borders>
> > ? ? ?</decor>
> > ? ?</application>
> >

<snip>
> 
> 
>   Well, it doesn't work here.  I checked the
> "border retention" option
> on obconf and tried to customize xterm, using:
> 
> <application class="XTerm">
>       <decor>
>         <titlebar>no</titlebar>
>         <borders>no</borders>
>       </decor>
> </application>
> 
>  It didn't work and according to Openbox docs, it
> wasn't supposed to. :-)
> 

Basically, what you have there is <decor>no</decor>

If that you meant by it doesn't work is that there was no titlebar and no borders, then it did work like you told it to.

>  So, would you mind telling what's your version and
> patch ?

I run gentoo, so I'll cut and paste the paludis output for it.

******* Begin copy and paste ******
 8:06AM % qpal openbox                                               ~ (knute)
* x11-wm/openbox
    gentoo:                  3.4.7.2 3.4.8_rc1(~) {:3} 
    installed:               3.4.8_rc1* {:3} 
    Description:             A standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager.
    Homepage:                http://icculus.org/openbox/
    License:                 GPL-2
    Installed time:          Sun Feb  1 16:00:31 2009
    Use flags:               (nls) (startup-notification) (xinerama)
    From repositories:       gentoo
    Installed using:         paludis-0.34.1

Key to mask reasons:

* ~: keyword (unstable accepted)

  8:06AM %   
  8:08AM % openbox --version                                          ~ (knute)
Openbox 3.4.8-rc1
Copyright (c) 2008        Mikael Magnusson
Copyright (c) 2003-2006   Dana Jansens

This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions. See the file COPYING for details.

  8:08AM %                                                            ~ (knute)

                              
******  End copy and paste  *******

Not exactly sure what other info that you are looking for.   Though,  I have been using that combo for quite sometime, so it isn't new.
Actually,  if I remember right, it was before the menu x and y options came out for the menu offsets.

HTH,
Knute


      


From lists at bak.och.fr.am  Wed Mar 11 11:40:21 2009
From: lists at bak.och.fr.am (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:40:21 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <f99411720903102327g32c761eale402b7e1a752f910@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39c32e920903100647p74e2786exf11a8b665f5c288c@mail.gmail.com>  <442548.9316.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <f99411720903102327g32c761eale402b7e1a752f910@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903111638340.31513@localhost>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Delcides F. Sousa Jr wrote:

>  Well, it doesn't work here.  I checked the "border retention" option
> on obconf and tried to customize xterm, using:
>
> <application class="XTerm">
>      <decor>
>        <titlebar>no</titlebar>
>        <borders>no</borders>
>      </decor>
> </application>
>
> It didn't work and according to Openbox docs, it wasn't supposed to. :-)

Right, there is absolutely no way that would work, since the syntax is 
<decor>yes or no</decor>. The only thing that affects borders is the 
keepBorder option like I said earlier.

--
Mikael Magnusson


From delcides at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 12:06:42 2009
From: delcides at gmail.com (Delcides F. Sousa Jr)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:06:42 -0300
Subject: [openbox] Re: Closing decoration windows
In-Reply-To: <526791.38500.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <f99411720903102327g32c761eale402b7e1a752f910@mail.gmail.com>
	 <526791.38500.qm@web50208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f99411720903110906u6ea60cbdn74202869accdedd8@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Knute <knuteh at yahoo.com> wrote:

>><snip>
>> ? Well, it doesn't work here. ?I checked the
>> "border retention" option
>> on obconf and tried to customize xterm, using:
>>
>> <application class="XTerm">
>> ? ? ? <decor>
>> ? ? ? ? <titlebar>no</titlebar>
>> ? ? ? ? <borders>no</borders>
>> ? ? ? </decor>
>> </application>
>>
>> ?It didn't work and according to Openbox docs, it
>> wasn't supposed to. :-)
>>
>
> Basically, what you have there is <decor>no</decor>
>
> If that you meant by it doesn't work is that there was no titlebar and no borders, then it did work like you told it to.

    I tried it both ways: first, border retention uncheck - as it
seems to be your case - used <borders>yes</borders> to give xterm a
border when undecorated. It didn't work.
    Then I checked border retention and I meant to have *only* xterm
without a border. It didn't work because it retained the border from
the general conf. I wanted to use the option to customize border
appearance on a case-by-case basis, but as you can see from Mikael
Magnusson's message on this thread, <decor></decor> is not supposed to
have further options. It's just yes or no.

>
>> ?So, would you mind telling what's your version and
>> patch ?
>
> I run gentoo, so I'll cut and paste the paludis output for it.
>
> ******* Begin copy and paste ******

<snip>

> ?8:08AM % openbox --version ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?~ (knute)
> Openbox 3.4.8-rc1
> Copyright (c) 2008 ? ? ? ?Mikael Magnusson
> Copyright (c) 2003-2006 ? Dana Jansens
>

<snip>
>
> Not exactly sure what other info that you are looking for. ? Though, ?I have been using that combo for quite sometime, so it isn't new.
> Actually, ?if I remember right, it was before the menu x and y options came out for the menu offsets.
>
> HTH,
> Knute
>

I run 3.4.7.2 and since the developer himself says your customization
shouldn't exist, I suspect it was patched by gentoo. :-)
Although not a must-have, it would a nice addition to mainline Openbox.

Cheers,
Delcides.


From dennis at rubgrp.com  Wed Mar 11 17:26:22 2009
From: dennis at rubgrp.com (dcarroll)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:26:22 -0500
Subject: How to not show on client-list-combined-menu
Message-ID: <49B82C7E.8070001@rubgrp.com>

OK, I was very proud of myself. I edited my rc.xml file to identify my 
email client and put it in precisely the right position on all 14 of my 
desktops.

How can I make it to NOT display on the client-list-combined-menu, 
(which is now 14 rows taller than I'd like)?

To no avail I played with the skip_panel and skip_pager options. Forgive 
the newby question, but I'm assuming the client-list menu is neither a 
pager, nor a panel. Right? Wrong? Missing the point entirely?

Sincerely,

-- Dennis


From delcides at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 18:24:56 2009
From: delcides at gmail.com (Delcides F. Sousa Jr)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:24:56 -0300
Subject: [openbox] How to not show on client-list-combined-menu
In-Reply-To: <49B82C7E.8070001@rubgrp.com>
References: <49B82C7E.8070001@rubgrp.com>
Message-ID: <f99411720903111524q3158155bpaa1e5a4e5560fbad@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM, dcarroll <dennis at rubgrp.com> wrote:
> OK, I was very proud of myself. I edited my rc.xml file to identify my email
> client and put it in precisely the right position on all 14 of my desktops.
>
> How can I make it to NOT display on the client-list-combined-menu, (which is
> now 14 rows taller than I'd like)?
>
> To no avail I played with the skip_panel and skip_pager options. Forgive the
> newby question, but I'm assuming the client-list menu is neither a pager,
> nor a panel. Right? Wrong? Missing the point entirely?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> -- Dennis
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to openbox-unsubscribe at icculus.org
> Mailing list archives: http://icculus.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm/ezmlm-cgi?24
>
>
>
I think you want

             <skip_taskbar>yes</skip_taskbar>

Cheers,

Delcides.


From kai at emptydomain.de  Wed Mar 11 18:40:39 2009
From: kai at emptydomain.de (Kai =?UTF-8?B?R3Jvw59qb2hhbm4=?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:40:39 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Using screen size in key bindings
In-Reply-To: <380-2200933111192148@M2W016.mail2web.com>
References: <380-2200933111192148@M2W016.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <20090311234039.2093bf4e@rumba>

I want the same thing, but some people cope by replacing openbox with a
script that first computes an rc.xml and then starts openbox.

Kai


On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:09:02 -0400
"openbox at jelmail.com" <openbox at jelmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> I've just signed up to Openbox and like it so far. I have written
> some key bindings to relocate windows in a similar fashion to the
> windows programs "SplitView" and "Winsplit Revolution". 
> 
> For example I press W+Home and the active window is moved and resized
> so it occupies the top left quadrant of the screen.
> 
> I have done this by hard coding the window size based on the
> dimensions of my screen. I have a 1920x1200 display so my key binding
> resizes the window to a width of 960 and a height of 600.
> 
> Now, what I would like to do is somehow tell openbox to use
> screenwidth/2 and screenheight/2 so moving to a different screen or
> resolution would not require the keybindings to be changed.
> 
> I can't see anything in the documentation to indicate that this is
> supported. If it is then great, but if not would it be the kind of
> thing that might be considered as an enhancement request ?
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> 
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From lists at bak.och.fr.am  Wed Mar 11 18:48:59 2009
From: lists at bak.och.fr.am (Mikael Magnusson)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:48:59 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [openbox] Using screen size in key bindings
In-Reply-To: <20090311234039.2093bf4e@rumba>
References: <380-2200933111192148@M2W016.mail2web.com> <20090311234039.2093bf4e@rumba>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903112345550.28449@localhost>

Please don't top post

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Kai Gro?johann wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:09:02 -0400
> "openbox at jelmail.com" <openbox at jelmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I've just signed up to Openbox and like it so far. I have written
>> some key bindings to relocate windows in a similar fashion to the
>> windows programs "SplitView" and "Winsplit Revolution".
>>
>> For example I press W+Home and the active window is moved and resized
>> so it occupies the top left quadrant of the screen.
>>
>> I have done this by hard coding the window size based on the
>> dimensions of my screen. I have a 1920x1200 display so my key binding
>> resizes the window to a width of 960 and a height of 600.
>>
>> Now, what I would like to do is somehow tell openbox to use
>> screenwidth/2 and screenheight/2 so moving to a different screen or
>> resolution would not require the keybindings to be changed.
>>
>> I can't see anything in the documentation to indicate that this is
>> supported. If it is then great, but if not would it be the kind of
>> thing that might be considered as an enhancement request ?
>
> I want the same thing, but some people cope by replacing openbox with a
> script that first computes an rc.xml and then starts openbox.

The problem is before you know it, you have an arithmetic interpreter and 
kitchen sink in the config parser, and then people want to be able to say 
screen_size/3 + 5 - if today is thursday: 3. We have "center" for now, but 
nothing more. I guess the simplest and most useful thing we could do that 
doesn't mess things up is allow you to say 53.42% or so?

--
Mikael Magnusson

From jae at zhar.net  Wed Mar 11 20:58:15 2009
From: jae at zhar.net (John Eikenberry)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:58:15 -0400
Subject: [openbox] Using screen size in key bindings
In-Reply-To: <380-2200933111192148@M2W016.mail2web.com>
References: <380-2200933111192148@M2W016.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <20090312005815.GD14265@localdomain>

openbox at jelmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
> I've just signed up to Openbox and like it so far. I have written some key
> bindings to relocate windows in a similar fashion to the windows programs
> "SplitView" and "Winsplit Revolution". 
> 
> For example I press W+Home and the active window is moved and resized so it
> occupies the top left quadrant of the screen.
> 
> I have done this by hard coding the window size based on the dimensions of
> my screen. I have a 1920x1200 display so my key binding resizes the window
> to a width of 960 and a height of 600.
> 
> Now, what I would like to do is somehow tell openbox to use screenwidth/2
> and screenheight/2 so moving to a different screen or resolution would not
> require the keybindings to be changed.

This is almost possible from a shell script. The only piece of the puzzle
missing is a way to get the window id of the currently focused window.
Anyone know of a way?

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From icculus at icculus.org  Thu Mar 12 04:17:05 2009
From: icculus at icculus.org (icculus at icculus.org)
Date: 12 Mar 2009 04:17:05 -0400
Subject: Changing mailing list software...
Message-ID: <20090312081705.7380.qmail@icculus.org>

We're in the process of upgrading icculus.org from its current,
extremely broken Gentoo install to Ubuntu. The first step of this
process is replacing as much software as possible that doesn't have a
maintained package, so I don't have to spend my life hunting down and
compiling updates from source tarballs. One of those things is ezmlm,
the mailing list software we've been using here. It's sort of crappy
software anyhow, so I don't think anybody is going to miss it. We'll be
using GNU Mailman as a replacement.

So after this email, I'm going to convert this mailing list. Do not
panic if you send mail today and it bounces, as I might just be in the
middle of converting the list still.

You will get an email notifying you of the new list details. This will
confirm that your subscription transferred, and give you the archive
URL, passwords, etc. If you don't get a notice and you don't see a list
posting from me saying I'm done, you probably didn't get
transferred...you can resubscribe with no problem, though.

Email will still go to openbox at icculus.org as usual. Problems can go to
my email address.

ok, here we go...

--ryan.



From kai at emptydomain.de  Thu Mar 12 07:09:26 2009
From: kai at emptydomain.de (Kai Grossjohann)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:09:26 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Using screen size in key bindings
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903112345550.28449@localhost>
References: <380-2200933111192148@M2W016.mail2web.com>
	<20090311234039.2093bf4e@rumba>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.0903112345550.28449@localhost>
Message-ID: <20090312120926.6752337e@de-lt-054638.emea.dsmain.com>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:48:59 +0100 (CET)
Mikael Magnusson <lists at bak.och.fr.am> wrote:

> The problem is before you know it, you have an arithmetic interpreter
> and kitchen sink in the config parser,

Lua seems to be fashionable these days.

d&r

Kai

PS: Just kidding!

From openbox at jelmail.com  Thu Mar 12 15:54:42 2009
From: openbox at jelmail.com (John)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:54:42 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Using screen size in key bindings
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903112345550.28449@localhost>
References: <380-2200933111192148@M2W016.mail2web.com>
	<20090311234039.2093bf4e@rumba>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.0903112345550.28449@localhost>
Message-ID: <49B96882.80604@jelmail.com>

Mikael Magnusson wrote:
>>
>> I want the same thing, but some people cope by replacing openbox with a
>> script that first computes an rc.xml and then starts openbox.
>
Yes, I've read that and I think that I will do that. Do you know if 
there is a better way of determining screen size than using a 
combination of xwininfo, grep and awk ( as in xwininfo -root | grep 
Height | awk '{print $2}' ) ?
> The problem is before you know it, you have an arithmetic interpreter 
> and kitchen sink in the config parser, and then people want to be able 
> to say screen_size/3 + 5 - if today is thursday: 3. We have "center" 
> for now, but nothing more. I guess the simplest and most useful thing 
> we could do that doesn't mess things up is allow you to say 53.42% or so?
>
Well I think limiting it to obtaining some generally useful values (like 
screen size dimensions) and allowing a basic integer multiplier or 
divisor would not be too "kitchen sink". I agree a full blown expression 
evaluator would be a step too far.



From jae at zhar.net  Thu Mar 12 16:04:15 2009
From: jae at zhar.net (John Eikenberry)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:04:15 -0400
Subject: [openbox] Using screen size in key bindings
In-Reply-To: <49B96882.80604@jelmail.com>
References: <380-2200933111192148@M2W016.mail2web.com>
	<20090311234039.2093bf4e@rumba>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.0903112345550.28449@localhost>
	<49B96882.80604@jelmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090312200415.GF14265@localdomain>

John wrote:

> Mikael Magnusson wrote:
>>>
>>> I want the same thing, but some people cope by replacing openbox with a
>>> script that first computes an rc.xml and then starts openbox.
>>
> Yes, I've read that and I think that I will do that. Do you know if  
> there is a better way of determining screen size than using a  
> combination of xwininfo, grep and awk ( as in xwininfo -root | grep  
> Height | awk '{print $2}' ) ?

xrandr | awk '/\*/ {print $1}'| IFS=x read width height

-- 

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[PGP public key @ http://zhar.net/jae_at_zhar_net.gpg]
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From folderol at ukfsn.org  Thu Mar 12 16:28:19 2009
From: folderol at ukfsn.org (Folderol)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:28:19 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Using screen size in key bindings
In-Reply-To: <20090312200415.GF14265@localdomain>
References: <380-2200933111192148@M2W016.mail2web.com>
	<20090311234039.2093bf4e@rumba>
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Message-ID: <20090312202819.15856125@debian>

On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:04:15 -0400
John Eikenberry <jae at zhar.net> wrote:

> John wrote:
> 
> > Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I want the same thing, but some people cope by replacing openbox with a
> >>> script that first computes an rc.xml and then starts openbox.
> >>
> > Yes, I've read that and I think that I will do that. Do you know if  
> > there is a better way of determining screen size than using a  
> > combination of xwininfo, grep and awk ( as in xwininfo -root | grep  
> > Height | awk '{print $2}' ) ?
> 
> xrandr | awk '/\*/ {print $1}'| IFS=x read width height
> 
Wow! that's really useful. It never occured to my you could simply use
xrandr like that

... Duh!

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk

From openbox at jelmail.com  Mon Mar 16 07:50:34 2009
From: openbox at jelmail.com (openbox at jelmail.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:50:34 -0400
Subject: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
Message-ID: <380-220093116115034558@M2W009.mail2web.com>

Hello,

I've spent a few days configuring my OpenBox and so far it's looking good.
One thing I wanted to try was a plain simple menu bar across the top of the
screen that replicates the openbox menu contents (ideally by using the same
openbox menu xml but something that uses its own menu configuration would
still be useful).

I've searched high and low and have failed to find something. I am not
looking for any fancy panel like on OS-X - just a simple bar with drop down
menus like you get in application windows.

Does such a beast exist?

Thanks,
John


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From pc_warner at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 16 18:33:13 2009
From: pc_warner at yahoo.com (Phillip Warner)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:33:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
In-Reply-To: <380-220093116115034558@M2W009.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <330107.99966.qm@web57701.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


pick a panel or launcher of your choice and then assign it to run xdotool with your keyboard shortcut for your menu.  It will pop up where your mouse is, which should be at the button you clicked.

--phillip


      

From mpb.mail at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 20:18:38 2009
From: mpb.mail at gmail.com (mpb)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:18:38 -0700
Subject: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
In-Reply-To: <380-220093116115034558@M2W009.mail2web.com>
References: <380-220093116115034558@M2W009.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <b855a9970903161718q11ce8977u72c3c61ef214f1ea@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:50 AM, openbox at jelmail.com
<openbox at jelmail.com> wrote:
> I've spent a few days configuring my OpenBox and so far it's looking good.
> One thing I wanted to try was a plain simple menu bar across the top of the
> screen that replicates the openbox menu contents (ideally by using the same
> openbox menu xml but something that uses its own menu configuration would
> still be useful).
>
> I've searched high and low and have failed to find something. I am not
> looking for any fancy panel like on OS-X - just a simple bar with drop down
> menus like you get in application windows.
>
> Does such a beast exist?

Have you considered any of fbpanel, xfce4-panel, or pypanel?

-mpb

From openbox at jelmail.com  Tue Mar 17 05:23:02 2009
From: openbox at jelmail.com (John)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:23:02 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
In-Reply-To: <b855a9970903161718q11ce8977u72c3c61ef214f1ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-220093116115034558@M2W009.mail2web.com>
	<b855a9970903161718q11ce8977u72c3c61ef214f1ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49BF6BF6.1030908@jelmail.com>


> Have you considered any of fbpanel, xfce4-panel, or pypanel?
>
> -mpb
>   
Yes I run pypanel now but maybe I am missing something. Currently it's 
just a task bar that shows running apps like on Windoze. If there is a 
panel app that I can add that becomes a drop down menu, and I can add 
several of them then I could make a menu bar. I looked but could not 
find anything. However, I am new to this :)

I'll also look at the xdotool idea but I guess I need to add buttons to 
the panel and I'll have to work out how to do that first!

From delcides at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 10:12:10 2009
From: delcides at gmail.com (Delcides F. Sousa Jr)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:12:10 -0300
Subject: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
In-Reply-To: <49BF6BF6.1030908@jelmail.com>
References: <380-220093116115034558@M2W009.mail2web.com>
	<b855a9970903161718q11ce8977u72c3c61ef214f1ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<49BF6BF6.1030908@jelmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99411720903170712u280ec032i2dea4b8d9fb84d11@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:23 AM, John <openbox at jelmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Have you considered any of fbpanel, xfce4-panel, or pypanel?
>>
>> -mpb
>>
>
> Yes I run pypanel now but maybe I am missing something. Currently it's just
> a task bar that shows running apps like on Windoze. If there is a panel app
> that I can add that becomes a drop down menu, and I can add several of them
> then I could make a menu bar. I looked but could not find anything. However,
> I am new to this :)
>
> I'll also look at the xdotool idea but I guess I need to add buttons to the
> panel and I'll have to work out how to do that first!

   I don't think pypanel is a good fit for what you want. You'd be
better off with fbpanel
or xfce4-panel. If you really want to stay with pypanel:
   - Create the desired menus ( I recommend obmenu - just use it like
"obmenu /path/to/menu.xml"). One file ( menu1,xml, menu2.xml, etc.)
per menu wanted. Pay attention to the id label field.
   - Edit your ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml file to include the menus:
under <menu>, put a
<file>/path/to/menu.xml</file> for every menu you created.
   - Now, go to the keyboard section of rc.xml. Assign a shortcut for each menu:

   <keybind key="C-S-1">
      <action name="ShowMenu">
        <menu>first-menu</menu>  <!-- put whatever id label you
defined for the menu -->
      </action>
   </keybind>

   - Almost finished: on pypanel create an app launcher with the command

                            xdotool key ctrl+shift+1

     It will simulate the keyboard shortcut when you press it and pop
up the desired menu.

   If that seems too much work, you could use fbpanel, where you can
create the menu directly on the panel ( see
http://fbpanel.sourceforge.net/docs.html) or xfce4-panel ( which uses
a nice gui for panel customizing).

Cheers,

Delcides.

From neil at fnxweb.com  Tue Mar 17 11:49:39 2009
From: neil at fnxweb.com (Neil Bird)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:49:39 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Forcing windows to be resizeable?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0903111225450.24293@localhost>
References: <49B11796.1080300@fnxweb.com>
	<b3502dfb0903061907j48a0f477x16aad1f589a54d23@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B78B77.1070205@fnxweb.com>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.0903111225450.24293@localhost>
Message-ID: <49BFC693.2050603@fnxweb.com>

Around about 11/03/09 11:27, Mikael Magnusson typed ...
> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Neil Bird wrote:
>>  I wanted to be able to move it out of the way until I was ready for it.
> In that case it probably isn't even a window, just some widgets drawn on 
> top of a static screenshot of what you had on screen before it appeared. 
> Stuff like that is why I haven't upgraded from gnupg 1.4.

   I came across the situation again:  it's the GNOME enter-root-password 
prompt when running admin. tasks from the GNOME menu (the pam helper wotsit).

   What it's *actually* doing, is grabbing the keyboard and mouse, such that 
Openbox can't use the mouse to drag.

   Fortunately, I enable the Xorg '<Alt-Ctrl-/>' (and -*) 'kill 
mouse/keyboard grab' options, so in this situation I can mash those and get 
to move the window.

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[neil at fnx ~]# ls -l .signature
ls: .signature: No such file or directory
[neil at fnx ~]# exit

From openbox at jelmail.com  Tue Mar 17 13:51:16 2009
From: openbox at jelmail.com (John)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:51:16 +0000
Subject: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
In-Reply-To: <f99411720903170712u280ec032i2dea4b8d9fb84d11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-220093116115034558@M2W009.mail2web.com>	<b855a9970903161718q11ce8977u72c3c61ef214f1ea@mail.gmail.com>	<49BF6BF6.1030908@jelmail.com>
	<f99411720903170712u280ec032i2dea4b8d9fb84d11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49BFE314.6030403@jelmail.com>

I am not preferable to pypanel; it's just one of many I started using 
for no reason except to see if I liked it. It's funny how they all have 
their disadvantages.

I did try fbpanel a while ago but it reminded me too much of Windows. I 
have just tried it again after your suggestion and I have it working but 
I can't see if it is possible to change the look of the menus. They are 
too grey and windows-like ;)

I've got your solution for pypanel working also. I like this because 
it's the same menu config as openbox itself. I can't see in pypanel how 
to make a laucher that is a text label rather than an icon. I don't 
really want to have to go creating icons with text in them.

Had a quick look also at xfce4-panel and it looks a bit "gnomey". I 
don't have a menu option in the "add items to the panel" and I don't 
know where to download one from. I've seen references to 
xfce4-panel-menu-plugin but can't find a download for Ubuntu Hardy.

Thanks Delcides for your suggestions; out of these I think the fbpanel 
is going to be best but I wish I could change it from the default grey. 
Perhaps I have missed a configuration option to do this ?

Thanks again for your help.




From daf at minuslab.net  Tue Mar 17 13:54:08 2009
From: daf at minuslab.net (Dave Foster)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:54:08 -0400
Subject: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
In-Reply-To: <49BFE314.6030403@jelmail.com>
References: <380-220093116115034558@M2W009.mail2web.com>	<b855a9970903161718q11ce8977u72c3c61ef214f1ea@mail.gmail.com>	<49BF6BF6.1030908@jelmail.com>	<f99411720903170712u280ec032i2dea4b8d9fb84d11@mail.gmail.com>
	<49BFE314.6030403@jelmail.com>
Message-ID: <49BFE3C0.9030801@minuslab.net>

John wrote:
> Thanks Delcides for your suggestions; out of these I think the fbpanel 
> is going to be best but I wish I could change it from the default 
> grey. Perhaps I have missed a configuration option to do this ?

fbpanel is a gtk application and therefore uses your gtk theme to render 
itself.  There are ways you can override the entire gtk theme for a 
certain application, or specific bits of the style for widget types for 
a certain application, but how to do so escapes me, perhaps others can 
fill you in.

dave


From mithat_konar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 17 14:09:17 2009
From: mithat_konar at yahoo.com (Mithat Konar)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:09:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
References: <380-220093116115034558@M2W009.mail2web.com>
	<b855a9970903161718q11ce8977u72c3c61ef214f1ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<49BF6BF6.1030908@jelmail.com>
	<f99411720903170712u280ec032i2dea4b8d9fb84d11@mail.gmail.com>
	<49BFE314.6030403@jelmail.com>
Message-ID: <870662.55744.qm@web54201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


You might also consider LXPanel, which is based on fbpanel: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/LXPanel 

-M


----- Original Message ----
From: John <openbox at jelmail.com>
To: openbox mailing list <openbox at icculus.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:51:16 PM
Subject: Re: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up

I am not preferable to pypanel; it's just one of many I started using for no reason except to see if I liked it. It's funny how they all have their disadvantages.


      

From pc_warner at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 17 14:54:31 2009
From: pc_warner at yahoo.com (Phillip Warner)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:54:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
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--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Mithat Konar <mithat_konar at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Mithat Konar <mithat_konar at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
> To: "openbox mailing list" <openbox at icculus.org>
> Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 11:09 AM
>
> You might also consider LXPanel, which is based on fbpanel:
> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/LXPanel 
I, too, recommend lxpanel.  Install lxappearance to easily change your GTK theme.


      

From delcides at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 23:05:39 2009
From: delcides at gmail.com (Delcides F. Sousa Jr)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:05:39 -0300
Subject: [openbox] Desktop Menu Bar of Pop-Up
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, John <openbox at jelmail.com> wrote:

>
> I've got your solution for pypanel working also. I like this because it's
> the same menu config as openbox itself. I can't see in pypanel how to make a
> laucher that is a text label rather than an icon. I don't really want to
> have to go creating icons with text in them.
>
> Had a quick look also at xfce4-panel and it looks a bit "gnomey". I don't
> have a menu option in the "add items to the panel" and I don't know where to
> download one from. I've seen references to xfce4-panel-menu-plugin but can't
> find a download for Ubuntu Hardy.
>
   Both fbpanel and xfce4-panel use an image for their "launchers". If you want
text instead of a picture, you'll have to create it. Concerning
xfce4-panel, you don't need
menu plugin: just create a normal launcher, then right-click and
choose "Properties". At the gui left side there'll be a pane - click
the plus and it'll create another launcher below the original,
organizing them on a menu. From the second launcher on, they appear
menu-like ( an icon with text beside). The very first ( the "head")
uses just the icon, though.

> Thanks Delcides for your suggestions; out of these I think the fbpanel is
> going to be best but I wish I could change it from the default grey. Perhaps
> I have missed a configuration option to do this ?
>
   Could you clarify, perhaps with a screenshot ?

> Thanks again for your help.

   You're welcome.  :-)

Cheers,

Delcides.

From papa.eric at free.fr  Mon Mar 23 19:11:28 2009
From: papa.eric at free.fr (Eric Dedieu)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:11:28 +0100
Subject: [openbox] Virtual console and back ?
Message-ID: <20090324001128.7f5551eb@free.fr>

Hello,

I run Openbox on ArchLinux, I can switch to a console with
Ctrl-Alt-Fx, but when I try to get back to Openbox (Ctrl-Alt-F7) I get
only the frames on my windows (complete, with the right theme, window
title, etc.), the client area is black, and the keyboard or mouse not
responding except Ctrl-Alt-Fx (still) or Ctrl-Alt-Backspace.

The question is: should it work ?

ps shows that Xorg is in stopped state (state "Ss+" exactly), so maybe
switching back to its tty does not restart it, only the WM is running ?
How to restart X when switching back to it ?

Actually I pressed Ctrl-Alt-F2 by mistake... I know I can disable it
but I'd like to keep this possible in case of X freezing... Yet I'd
appreciate if I could recover from such a mistake !! :^)

Thanks for any idea,
Eric

From dennis at rubgrp.com  Fri Mar 27 10:01:04 2009
From: dennis at rubgrp.com (dcarroll)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:01:04 -0500
Subject: [openbox] vi-style keybindings - root-menu
Message-ID: <49CCDC20.7090200@rubgrp.com>

Inspired by the article at

http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:ClaysViStyleSpatial

I decided to be adventurous and go a couple steps further. My goal is to 
minimize the number of hand movements and mouse actions.

First I created a keybinding to map W-m to root-menu. So far so good.

Next, to navigate the menu, I would like to use the j/k/l/h keys instead 
of down/up/right/left arrows.

Is this possible?

Sincerely,

-- Dennis

From robsonpeixoto at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 07:59:36 2009
From: robsonpeixoto at gmail.com (Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:59:36 -0300
Subject: [openbox] Problem when download from the current git repository.
Message-ID: <1564af2a0903310459r5183881cwb28b74af138f23ad@mail.gmail.com>

Problem when download from the current git repository.

$ git clone git://git.icculus.org/mikachu/openbox.git openbox
Initialized empty Git repository in /home/robinho/projects/openbox/.git/
fatal: read error (Connection reset by peer)

$ git --version
git version 1.6.2.1


thanks

-- 
Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto
Robinho
robsonpeixoto at gmail.com
Telefone: (19) 8821-0396
Computer Science Master's degree student, University of Campinas
Archlinux-br Developer Team - http://archlinux-br.org
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