[openbox] Images in the menu

David Barr dpb at clara.co.uk
Sun Oct 31 13:14:25 EST 2004


On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 19:07 +0200, Tero Grundström wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Mikael Magnusson wrote:
> 
> > There is a bit of a difference between a bug report and a feature though.
> > At first all i did in #openbox was report bugs, which is an appreciated
> > thing, but i also made a few feature requests every now and then, to which
> > they would mostly say 'patch pls'. Eventually i opened up the source and
> > looked at it.
> 
> There is nothing wrong in asking a patch from a person who could actually
> do it. But totally ignoring requests from other people is just wrong,
> especially if it's done with an attitude like: No patch? Well shut the
> f*** up then!
> 

Of course a more intelligent person could say that that williness to
accept and consider patches is a breath of fresh air. Constant requests
that are purely selfish as in "i want feature x" are not helpful, if you
can justify why the average user may also need said feature and that it
it fits in with teh overall goals of development of a project, then you
might be getting somewhere. It's a matter of being constructive (or
actually shutting up, try it, you might like it)

> > > You see we are *all* important for Linux and other software as a whole.
> >
> > But developers are more important ;)
> 
> This is kinda like a popstar claiming that he/she doesn't care or need
> fans ;) (an ex-popstar in this case ;)
> 

This is a ridiculous thing to say and i hope you are ashamed of
yourself, without developers there is nothing, nothing to complain about
nothing to be grateful for, your computer would be useless, you would
also not be able to send crappy mail to mailing lists, and nor would i.


> IMO, once a software project has a fancy web site, mailing list and the
> program is given (or "sold") for all to use the developer is kinda like
> that popstar who should care about his fans (to a point of course).
> 

ok you seem to like he popstar thing, well each to his own :) who said
opensource was a democracy, that is not the point. where did this come
from? people are spending time developing and producing useful software
for free, they are giving you as a gift, be grateful or be constructive,
acting like a spoilt brat is not becoming or productive

> But if you make your music (software) in the cellar for your own enjoyment
> only, it's ok...
> 
> > > BTW, <if I would send Magnusson a patch for a improvement I like, I'm
> > > pretty sure he would not add it to openbox mainline. Openbox seems to be
> > > considered "perfect", hence no new releases in a long time. So what would
> > > be the point of sending patches?
> >

cvs is active, what is your problem? no tarball release does not mean no
development. would you prefer bad patches to be rushed in to keep morons
happy? they (you) already have fluxbox :D

> > That's some pretty funky logic, if i tell you to send patches, it's hardly
> > because i won't accept them. The reason there isn't a release is there
> > aren't really that many changes in cvs right now from 3.2, which would
> > change if more people sent patches and/or i had a bit more free time.
> 
> Could the reason for the lack of pathes be that Openbox is not as popular
> as Fluxbox for example. One would think that if ob were more popular
> there would also be more people who would write patches (there are
> currently 21 open (61 total) patches for fluxbox at SourceForge).
> 

if you appeal to the lowest common denominator you will always be
popular you should not confuse quality with popularity.

> Now, how could we make Openbox more popular?
> 

"most of my heroes ain’t appeared on no stamp"

> --
> T.G.
> 
> 

peace y'all

David P. Barr




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