From icculus at clutteredmind.org Thu Dec 18 22:10:58 2003 From: icculus at clutteredmind.org (Ryan C. Gordon) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:10:58 -0500 Subject: testing... Message-ID: <1071803458.2108.74.camel@localhost> test. --me. From warp at babylon.d2dc.net Thu Dec 18 23:43:06 2003 From: warp at babylon.d2dc.net (Zephaniah E. Hull) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:43:06 -0500 Subject: Test 2. Message-ID: <20031219044306.GF15585@babylon.d2dc.net> Testing the -devel list. -- 1024D/E65A7801 Zephaniah E. Hull 92ED 94E4 B1E6 3624 226D 5727 4453 008B E65A 7801 CCs of replies from mailing lists are requested. * james would be more impressed if netgod's magic powers could stop the splits in the first place... * netgod notes debian developers are notoriously hard to impress -- Seen on #Debian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From tcarter3 at gladstone.uoregon.edu Sun Dec 21 07:55:43 2003 From: tcarter3 at gladstone.uoregon.edu (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:55:43 -0800 Subject: DarkWar licensing Message-ID: <20031221125543.GA9700@d197-165.uoregon.edu> One of the problems I have been puzzling over for DarkWar is that it really seems like a commercial project even though it isn't. I mean, either development must be closed only to people who will be working on neither or you need ridiculous accounting measures to figure out who submitted what exactly. That's a lot of effort and when people start being asked questions about their code, be it significant or not, they're likely to feel like they're being invited to participate in DarkWar just so we can use their work in Neither. While I expect that very little from DarkWar that any of us couldn't easily write almost in our sleep at this point is likely to be reused in Neither, it has the potential of being a PR nightmare if someone decides to feel they're being cheated because they're being expected to code something under a license like the GPL and then have us use it under other terms. My understanding of DarkWar is that it is basically Q3A-era tech. At least one reasonably complete drop-in engine replacement for Q3A exists as free software today, and with some minor problems, it's pretty good overall. This tells me that we're at a point where that level of technology basically has no proprietary commercial value unless you are simply that adverse to open source that you must have something which is proprietary. So why not give DarkWar away? No, I mean really give it away--BSD the engine. This will guarantee that everyone knows that anyone can use the engine however they like. The bad news is that someone could take it and produce a non-free binary-only engine for some game. Because this type of technology has reached such a high saturation level though, I doubt it'd be any big loss. Anything spectacular engine-wise would require just as much effort with DarkWar as with Quake, and Quake is now basically within the budget of hobbyists. I certainly do not believe that BSD is the appropriate license for the game data since BSD gives insufficient credit (what, somewhere in the binary data there must be a Copyright notice? No, that's not quite right) and pure BSD may not be right for the engine either (perhaps it should be required to either maintain an intro screen or stick some other "based on DarkWar" type thingy somewhere?) But still, that's no different than being required to maintain a Copyright notice in the output, really, so it's effectively the same thing. I think if something like that is the only difference between what Neither must do and what anyone else must do, then probably people will not be too terribly opposed. Or, I figure there's no harm in having the same kind of credit in Neither for parts of the engine coming from DarkWar if there wind up being significant pieces which do. Just an idea to toss around. From warp at babylon.d2dc.net Tue Dec 23 07:13:26 2003 From: warp at babylon.d2dc.net (Zephaniah E. Hull) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:13:26 -0500 Subject: Gone for 2 weeks. Message-ID: <20031223121326.GA1039@babylon.d2dc.net> I am leaving for Dallas in the next hour or so, I'll be back on the 6th. -- 1024D/E65A7801 Zephaniah E. Hull 92ED 94E4 B1E6 3624 226D 5727 4453 008B E65A 7801 CCs of replies from mailing lists are requested. .net is microsofts perverted version of a java networked environment uglified for windows-specific crap -- nonlinear in #opengl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: