I ran a dumpuser on this guy and this is what I get: snaps :20 r_lightmap :0 r_novis :0 r_farplane :0 r_farplane nofog :0 cg_3rd_person :0 Does this mean hes running a 'no-fog' cvar? Luke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://icculus.org/pipermail/mohaa/attachments/20030214/d7fac311/attachment.htm>