From mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca Tue May 14 23:13:18 2002 From: mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: 14 May 2002 21:13:18 -0600 Subject: Dead Time Message-ID: <1021432398.7844.1.camel@lucid> Sorry for the slow down. Kinda busy. I'm going to bug John again about the Quartus II CD. Andrew, the website docs will be done some time soon, but it will probably only take 15 min to read our report too. Some of it is crap though. Jeff From benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca Wed May 15 00:18:21 2002 From: benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca (Benj Carson) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:18:21 -0600 Subject: [manticore] Dead Time References: <1021432398.7844.1.camel@lucid> Message-ID: <000401c1fbc7$8cb943e0$0401010a@digitaljunkies.ca> > Sorry for the slow down. Kinda busy. Likewise. Just started work last week... > I'm going to bug John again about the Quartus II CD. I'll call him tomorrow if you want, or you can: 492-8405. > Andrew, the website docs will be done some time > soon, but it will probably only take 15 min to read our report too. > Some of it is crap though. Jeff - did you want me to do the rest of the docs? Unless you say otherwise, I'll commit to finishing them now. I'll have them done by next weekend. Benj From mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca Wed May 15 01:39:48 2002 From: mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: 14 May 2002 23:39:48 -0600 Subject: Why XEmacs rules Message-ID: <1021441188.8057.5.camel@lucid> I found some really nice stuff in the Xemacs (maybe regular emacs too) speedbar for browsing VHDL files. It lets you jump to entities, arches, components, instances, packages, processes.. etc Check it out http://icculus.org/~jm/xemacs-vhdl.jpg From acling at ee.ualberta.ca Wed May 15 09:10:27 2002 From: acling at ee.ualberta.ca (Ling Andrew Chaang) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [manticore] Why XEmacs rules In-Reply-To: <1021441188.8057.5.camel@lucid> Message-ID: is there an xemacs for windows?? I have gvim right now On 14 May 2002, Jeff Mrochuk wrote: > I found some really nice stuff in the Xemacs (maybe regular emacs too) > speedbar for browsing VHDL files. It lets you jump to entities, arches, > components, instances, packages, processes.. etc > > Check it out > > http://icculus.org/~jm/xemacs-vhdl.jpg > From mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca Wed May 15 09:31:17 2002 From: mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: 15 May 2002 07:31:17 -0600 Subject: [manticore] Why XEmacs rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1021469477.8057.9.camel@lucid> Yeah you can download from xemacs.org Yhere's a whole lot of new shortcuts and commands you need to learn though. emacs is quite a bit different than vim On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 07:10, Ling Andrew Chaang wrote: > is there an xemacs for windows?? I have gvim right now > > On 14 May 2002, Jeff Mrochuk wrote: > > > I found some really nice stuff in the Xemacs (maybe regular emacs too) > > speedbar for browsing VHDL files. It lets you jump to entities, arches, > > components, instances, packages, processes.. etc > > > > Check it out > > > > http://icculus.org/~jm/xemacs-vhdl.jpg > > > > From benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca Wed May 15 12:59:37 2002 From: benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca (benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:59:37 -0600 Subject: Why XEmacs rules In-Reply-To: <1021469477.8057.9.camel@lucid> References: <1021469477.8057.9.camel@lucid> Message-ID: <20020515165937.A24008961@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> > There's a whole lot of new shortcuts and commands you need to learn > though. emacs is quite a bit different than vim Not to worry though, the built-in tutorial in emacs (and probably xemacs too) is pretty good at getting you started and it doesn't take too long. The worst thing for beginners is that by default backspace is actually the help key (you can fix that pretty easily tho). There's an excellent printable cheat sheet at www.refcards.com (there actually have both xemacs and emacs cards). I use emacs for practically everything now, it's a wicked app... Benj From jmrochuk at ieee.org Tue May 21 17:11:11 2002 From: jmrochuk at ieee.org (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:11:11 -0600 Subject: Back to life Message-ID: <20020521211111.GA6559@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> Okay been kinda dead for a while Now that I have the quartus software I'm going to start working on the SDRAM controller to make it more efficient. Benj is finishing up the documentation. Andrew: I have the perfect thing for you to work on if you want to. It should be easy because you've pretty much already done it. I think it would be good idea to have an RS-232 interface for loading triangles so we can test the renderer and triangle buffer before we do a PCI interface. Basically it needs to send three fixed point numbers at a time. The numbers are 10-6, so 10 binary digits for the number and 6 for the decimal part. So bursts would be of 3x16 binary digits. We'd also need the software side of things. Reply if you're interested. Shouldn't be much different than the software/hardware you wrote for the neural project. Jeff -- From acling at ee.ualberta.ca Tue May 21 17:48:07 2002 From: acling at ee.ualberta.ca (Ling Andrew Chaang) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:48:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [manticore] Back to life In-Reply-To: <20020521211111.GA6559@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> Message-ID: sure, give me something cooler after this I'm done, One main problem, I don't have a board myself, so I can't test it... but I'll try and get something going, Andrew On Tue, 21 May 2002, Jeff Mrochuk wrote: > Okay been kinda dead for a while > > Now that I have the quartus software I'm going to start working on the > SDRAM controller to make it more efficient. > > Benj is finishing up the documentation. > > Andrew: I have the perfect thing for you to work on if you want to. It > should be easy because you've pretty much already done it. I think it would > be good idea to have an RS-232 interface for loading > triangles so we can test the renderer and triangle buffer before we do a > PCI interface. Basically it needs to send three fixed point numbers at > a time. The numbers are 10-6, so 10 binary digits for the number and 6 > for the decimal part. So bursts would be of 3x16 binary digits. We'd > also need the software side of things. Reply if you're interested. > Shouldn't be much different than the software/hardware you wrote for the > neural project. > > Jeff > -- > From acling at ee.ualberta.ca Tue May 21 17:50:18 2002 From: acling at ee.ualberta.ca (Ling Andrew Chaang) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:50:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [manticore] Back to life In-Reply-To: <20020521211111.GA6559@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> Message-ID: I was thinking, we could just use the interface I have already, it's just not user friendly at all, like sending stuff and getting stuff will not be intuitive... the reason I propose this is becuase we know it works, plus, this is only for testing anyway, Andrew On Tue, 21 May 2002, Jeff Mrochuk wrote: > Okay been kinda dead for a while > > Now that I have the quartus software I'm going to start working on the > SDRAM controller to make it more efficient. > > Benj is finishing up the documentation. > > Andrew: I have the perfect thing for you to work on if you want to. It > should be easy because you've pretty much already done it. I think it would > be good idea to have an RS-232 interface for loading > triangles so we can test the renderer and triangle buffer before we do a > PCI interface. Basically it needs to send three fixed point numbers at > a time. The numbers are 10-6, so 10 binary digits for the number and 6 > for the decimal part. So bursts would be of 3x16 binary digits. We'd > also need the software side of things. Reply if you're interested. > Shouldn't be much different than the software/hardware you wrote for the > neural project. > > Jeff > -- > From mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca Tue May 21 19:22:18 2002 From: mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: 21 May 2002 17:22:18 -0600 Subject: [manticore] Back to life In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1022023338.3468.2.camel@lucid> Yeah sure, your current UI is fine On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 15:50, Ling Andrew Chaang wrote: > I was thinking, > > we could just use the interface I have already, it's just not user > friendly at all, like sending stuff and getting stuff will not be > intuitive... > > the reason I propose this is becuase we know it works, plus, this is only > for testing anyway, > > Andrew > > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Jeff Mrochuk wrote: > > > Okay been kinda dead for a while > > > > Now that I have the quartus software I'm going to start working on the > > SDRAM controller to make it more efficient. > > > > Benj is finishing up the documentation. > > > > Andrew: I have the perfect thing for you to work on if you want to. It > > should be easy because you've pretty much already done it. I think it would > > be good idea to have an RS-232 interface for loading > > triangles so we can test the renderer and triangle buffer before we do a > > PCI interface. Basically it needs to send three fixed point numbers at > > a time. The numbers are 10-6, so 10 binary digits for the number and 6 > > for the decimal part. So bursts would be of 3x16 binary digits. We'd > > also need the software side of things. Reply if you're interested. > > Shouldn't be much different than the software/hardware you wrote for the > > neural project. > > > > Jeff > > -- > > > From jmrochuk at ieee.org Wed May 22 11:26:44 2002 From: jmrochuk at ieee.org (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:26:44 -0600 Subject: package Message-ID: <20020522152644.GA8064@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> I'm going to start messing with CVS here right a way, so I packaged the current cvs as version 0.0.1 (like a good unix project) and put it in http://icculus.org/manticore/download/devel/ directory Jeff -- From jmrochuk at ieee.org Wed May 29 01:50:52 2002 From: jmrochuk at ieee.org (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: 28 May 2002 23:50:52 -0600 Subject: sdram control Message-ID: <1022651452.658.3.camel@lucid> sdram_control is now (for the most part) in Opencores coding standards. I can't say I like all of it (the _I and _O seems excessive) but it does clarify things a little. Of course the top level port map needs to be fixed, so the design won't compile at the moment. Check it out if you want to see what the guidelines change Jeff From mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca Wed May 29 18:03:37 2002 From: mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:03:37 -0600 Subject: CVS Message-ID: <3CF5EBBF@webmail.ualberta.ca> Okay the sdram_control and sdram portions of top_level are under the new naming convention, everything compiles and hopefully works. Some of the signals will have to be reassigned to the pins because of new names. (Don't worry, I didn't rename the data pins). Current CVS should compile and work. Benj if you're going to busy for the next bit mind if I borrow the board, I want to add some stuff to the sdram controller to speed it up, but I want to make sure its working periodically. Jeff From benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca Wed May 29 19:08:51 2002 From: benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca (Benj Carson) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:08:51 -0600 Subject: [manticore] CVS References: <3CF5EBBF@webmail.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: <000401c20765$cbe3f200$0401010a@digitaljunkies.ca> > Okay the sdram_control and sdram portions of top_level are under the new > naming convention, everything compiles and hopefully works. Some of the > signals will have to be reassigned to the pins because of new names. (Don't > worry, I didn't rename the data pins). > > Current CVS should compile and work. > Cool. > Benj if you're going to busy for the next bit mind if I borrow the board, I > want to add some stuff to the sdram controller to speed it up, but I want to > make sure its working periodically. > No problem. My grandparents just arrived from the states today, so yeah, I'll be busy for the next bit. I can meet you after work sometime with the board, or if you're in your new place I can come by and drop it off sometime. Just let me know what's convienient. Benj From mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca Thu May 30 01:27:45 2002 From: mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: 29 May 2002 23:27:45 -0600 Subject: [manticore] CVS In-Reply-To: <000401c20765$cbe3f200$0401010a@digitaljunkies.ca> References: <3CF5EBBF@webmail.ualberta.ca> <000401c20765$cbe3f200$0401010a@digitaljunkies.ca> Message-ID: <1022736465.11374.9.camel@lucid> Unless you can meet me in the afternoon, I'll probably have to get you to drop it off, I move on saturday. Either that or I can pick it up some time. Whats the status of the documentation? I'm thinking we should announce the page on icculus.org frontpage on saturday or something Jeff On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 17:08, Benj Carson wrote: > > Okay the sdram_control and sdram portions of top_level are under the new > > naming convention, everything compiles and hopefully works. Some of the > > signals will have to be reassigned to the pins because of new names. (Don't > > worry, I didn't rename the data pins). > > > > Current CVS should compile and work. > > > Cool. > > > Benj if you're going to busy for the next bit mind if I borrow the board, I > > want to add some stuff to the sdram controller to speed it up, but I want to > > make sure its working periodically. > > > > No problem. My grandparents just arrived from the states today, so yeah, I'll > be busy for the next bit. I can meet you after work sometime with the board, or > if you're in your new place I can come by and drop it off sometime. Just let me > know what's convienient. > > Benj > > From benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca Thu May 30 12:25:30 2002 From: benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca (benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:25:30 -0600 Subject: CVS In-Reply-To: <1022736465.11374.9.camel@lucid> References: <3CF5EBBF@webmail.ualberta.ca> <000401c20765$cbe3f200$0401010a@digitaljunkies.ca> <1022736465.11374.9.camel@lucid> Message-ID: <20020530162530.0CB448960@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> Sure, I can drop it off. How 'bout sunday afternoon at your new place? I'll try and finish the documentation tonight if I remember. There are only a couple of sections left, so it shouldn't take me too long to finish up. Benj Jeff Mrochuk writes: > Unless you can meet me in the afternoon, I'll probably have to get you > to drop it off, I move on saturday. Either that or I can pick it up > some time. > > Whats the status of the documentation? I'm thinking we should announce > the page on icculus.org frontpage on saturday or something > > Jeff > > On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 17:08, Benj Carson wrote: >> > Okay the sdram_control and sdram portions of top_level are under the new >> > naming convention, everything compiles and hopefully works. Some of the >> > signals will have to be reassigned to the pins because of new names. (Don't >> > worry, I didn't rename the data pins). >> > >> > Current CVS should compile and work. >> > >> Cool. >> >> > Benj if you're going to busy for the next bit mind if I borrow the board, I >> > want to add some stuff to the sdram controller to speed it up, but I want to >> > make sure its working periodically. >> > >> >> No problem. My grandparents just arrived from the states today, so yeah, I'll >> be busy for the next bit. I can meet you after work sometime with the board, or >> if you're in your new place I can come by and drop it off sometime. Just let me >> know what's convienient. >> >> Benj >> >> > From jmrochuk at ieee.org Thu May 30 12:32:55 2002 From: jmrochuk at ieee.org (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:32:55 -0600 Subject: [manticore] Re: CVS In-Reply-To: <20020530162530.0CB448960@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> References: <3CF5EBBF@webmail.ualberta.ca> <000401c20765$cbe3f200$0401010a@digitaljunkies.ca> <1022736465.11374.9.camel@lucid> <20020530162530.0CB448960@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> Message-ID: <20020530163255.GA5129@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> Sunday sounds good. Here's some scary business. There's a new file in the sdram_control folder called sdram_control_param.vhd which supports 4 or 8 burst length at compile time. It still needs alot of testing, and the newest version isn't in cvs yet, but I hope to get most of the code done today. I'll then try to get vga_fifo_ctrl up to speed to support 8 bursts. Then I'll spend 160 hours trying to get the core to work again. Jeff On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:25:30AM -0600, benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca wrote: > Sure, I can drop it off. How 'bout sunday afternoon at your new place? > > I'll try and finish the documentation tonight if I remember. There are > only a couple of sections left, so it shouldn't take me too long to finish > up. > > Benj > > > Jeff Mrochuk writes: > > >Unless you can meet me in the afternoon, I'll probably have to get you > >to drop it off, I move on saturday. Either that or I can pick it up > >some time. > > > >Whats the status of the documentation? I'm thinking we should announce > >the page on icculus.org frontpage on saturday or something > > > >Jeff > > > >On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 17:08, Benj Carson wrote: > >>> Okay the sdram_control and sdram portions of top_level are under the new > >>> naming convention, everything compiles and hopefully works. Some of the > >>> signals will have to be reassigned to the pins because of new names. > >>(Don't > >>> worry, I didn't rename the data pins). > >>> > >>> Current CVS should compile and work. > >>> > >>Cool. > >> > >>> Benj if you're going to busy for the next bit mind if I borrow the > >>board, I > >>> want to add some stuff to the sdram controller to speed it up, but I > >>want to > >>> make sure its working periodically. > >>> > >> > >>No problem. My grandparents just arrived from the states today, so yeah, > >>I'll > >>be busy for the next bit. I can meet you after work sometime with the > >>board, or > >>if you're in your new place I can come by and drop it off sometime. Just > >>let me > >>know what's convienient. > >> > >>Benj > >> > >> > > > -- From benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca Fri May 31 14:57:37 2002 From: benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca (benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:57:37 -0600 Subject: Documentation & web CVS Message-ID: <20020531185737.5014F8989@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> The documentation has been updated. I didn't include the z-buffer 'cause it hasn't really been tested yet. Have a look and let me know what you think. Also, is our CVS repository public? The web cvs browser doesn't list our project at all. Benj From jmrochuk at ieee.org Fri May 31 15:21:10 2002 From: jmrochuk at ieee.org (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:21:10 -0600 Subject: [manticore] Documentation & web CVS In-Reply-To: <20020531185737.5014F8989@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> References: <20020531185737.5014F8989@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> Message-ID: <20020531192110.GA29516@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> I'll check out the docs when I have a min. I browse cvs with the web interface all the time... Its near the bottom (lower case) on http://cvs.icculus.org On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:57:37PM -0600, benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca wrote: > The documentation has been updated. I didn't include the z-buffer 'cause > it hasn't really been tested yet. Have a look and let me know what you > think. > Also, is our CVS repository public? The web cvs browser doesn't list our > project at all. > > Benj -- From benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca Fri May 31 15:36:56 2002 From: benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca (benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:36:56 -0600 Subject: Documentation & web CVS In-Reply-To: <20020531192110.GA29516@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> References: <20020531185737.5014F8989@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> <20020531192110.GA29516@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> Message-ID: <20020531193656.718088989@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> I don't see manticore or hulk at cvs.icculus.org. Try clicking the link on our webpage for web cvs and you'll see what I mean, unless some weird filtering is going on. Benj Jeff Mrochuk writes: > I'll check out the docs when I have a min. > > I browse cvs with the web interface all the time... > Its near the bottom (lower case) on http://cvs.icculus.org > > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:57:37PM -0600, benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca wrote: >> The documentation has been updated. I didn't include the z-buffer 'cause >> it hasn't really been tested yet. Have a look and let me know what you >> think. >> Also, is our CVS repository public? The web cvs browser doesn't list our >> project at all. >> >> Benj > > -- From jmrochuk at ieee.org Fri May 31 15:51:59 2002 From: jmrochuk at ieee.org (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:51:59 -0600 Subject: [manticore] Re: Documentation & web CVS In-Reply-To: <20020531193656.718088989@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> References: <20020531185737.5014F8989@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> <20020531192110.GA29516@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> <20020531193656.718088989@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> Message-ID: <20020531195159.GA30017@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> Strange, it was there about 2 days ago. Ryan, you listening? On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 01:36:56PM -0600, benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca wrote: > I don't see manticore or hulk at cvs.icculus.org. Try clicking the link on > our webpage for web cvs and you'll see what I mean, unless some weird > filtering is going on. > > Benj > > > > Jeff Mrochuk writes: > > >I'll check out the docs when I have a min. > > > >I browse cvs with the web interface all the time... > >Its near the bottom (lower case) on http://cvs.icculus.org > > > >On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:57:37PM -0600, benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca > >wrote: > >>The documentation has been updated. I didn't include the z-buffer 'cause > >>it hasn't really been tested yet. Have a look and let me know what you > >>think. > >>Also, is our CVS repository public? The web cvs browser doesn't list our > >>project at all. > >> > >>Benj > > > >-- > -- From mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca Fri May 31 19:38:20 2002 From: mrochuk at ee.ualberta.ca (Jeff Mrochuk) Date: 31 May 2002 17:38:20 -0600 Subject: [manticore] Re: Documentation & web CVS In-Reply-To: <20020531195159.GA30017@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> References: <20020531185737.5014F8989@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> <20020531192110.GA29516@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> <20020531193656.718088989@ns1.digitaljunkies.ca> <20020531195159.GA30017@lucid.digitaljunkies.ca> Message-ID: <1022888300.658.16.camel@lucid> Okay we're on the front page now, and web cvs is back up On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 13:51, Jeff Mrochuk wrote: > Strange, it was there about 2 days ago. > > Ryan, you listening? > > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 01:36:56PM -0600, benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca wrote: > > I don't see manticore or hulk at cvs.icculus.org. Try clicking the link on > > our webpage for web cvs and you'll see what I mean, unless some weird > > filtering is going on. > > > > Benj > > > > > > > > Jeff Mrochuk writes: > > > > >I'll check out the docs when I have a min. > > > > > >I browse cvs with the web interface all the time... > > >Its near the bottom (lower case) on http://cvs.icculus.org > > > > > >On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:57:37PM -0600, benjcarson at digitaljunkies.ca > > >wrote: > > >>The documentation has been updated. I didn't include the z-buffer 'cause > > >>it hasn't really been tested yet. Have a look and let me know what you > > >>think. > > >>Also, is our CVS repository public? The web cvs browser doesn't list our > > >>project at all. > > >> > > >>Benj > > > > > >-- > > > > -- From icculus at clutteredmind.org Fri May 31 20:49:38 2002 From: icculus at clutteredmind.org (Ryan C. Gordon) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [manticore] Re: Documentation & web CVS In-Reply-To: <1022888300.658.16.camel@lucid> Message-ID: > Okay we're on the front page now, and web cvs is back up (Sorry about that...I was shuffling stuff around on the system, and it broke the CVS web interface for projects that weren't listed on the frontpage. This is fixed for Manticore now.) --ryan.