From icculus at clutteredmind.org Fri Nov 1 08:09:03 2002 From: icculus at clutteredmind.org (Ryan C. Gordon) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:09:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [lgfaq] loki_faq randomness In-Reply-To: <20021101024138.GH21283@gamehenge.icculus.org> Message-ID: > If anyone want to try it, they need at least php3 and mysql. Is there anywhere at Codehost we can hit with a browser at this point? I'd like to try it really quickly, but don't have time to do a proper installation at the moment. But that's mostly for my curiousity, so don't worry about it if not. --ryan. From greg at treke.net Fri Nov 1 11:36:40 2002 From: greg at treke.net (Greg Gilbert) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:36:40 -0800 Subject: [lgfaq] loki_faq randomness In-Reply-To: References: <20021101024138.GH21283@gamehenge.icculus.org> Message-ID: <20021101163640.GC26327@tinman.treke.net> * Ryan C. Gordon (icculus at clutteredmind.org) wrote: > > > If anyone want to try it, they need at least php3 and mysql. > > Is there anywhere at Codehost we can hit with a browser at this point? I'd > like to try it really quickly, but don't have time to do a proper > installation at the moment. But that's mostly for my curiousity, so don't > worry about it if not. I've got a fairly up to date copy installed at http://treke.net/loki_faq/ Greg From chunky at icculus.org Fri Nov 1 11:41:01 2002 From: chunky at icculus.org (Chunky Kibbles) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:41:01 -0500 Subject: [lgfaq] loki_faq randomness In-Reply-To: References: <20021101024138.GH21283@gamehenge.icculus.org> Message-ID: <20021101164101.GB17887@gamehenge.icculus.org> On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 08:09:03AM -0500, Ryan C. Gordon wrote: > > > If anyone want to try it, they need at least php3 and mysql. > > Is there anywhere at Codehost we can hit with a browser at this point? I'd > like to try it really quickly, but don't have time to do a proper > installation at the moment. But that's mostly for my curiousity, so don't > worry about it if not. Afraid not. :/ Gary (-; From chunky at icculus.org Wed Nov 13 17:54:55 2002 From: chunky at icculus.org (Chunky Kibbles) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:54:55 -0500 Subject: Random behaviour Message-ID: <20021113225455.GP12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> http://cvs.icculus.org/horde/chora/diff.php/en/about.php?rt=lgfaq&r1=1.7&r2=1.8&f=h I'm not given to petty anything, usually, but: 1) Two of the biggest content contributors have just been taken off the credits for this project. [not counting the translators] 2) It's downright offensive. I've been told that "Nobody except me [zakk] ever cared or contributed that much anyway". In as many words. This project [the lgfaq] "is a dictatorship", in as many words. When I said that a vote should be called on this ml to see whether or not BSD stuff should go into the lgfaq, I was told that since it's not a democracy, that wasn't the right thing, and that BSD drivers simply would not go into the lgfaq. The hell with anything else. This is not acceptable behaviour. This started off as something incredibly petty, and has now got into something that's personally abusive. To me. I believe Greg is with me on this, also. What is the correct response that's expected to come from myself and possible others [notably, Greg] at this point? Gary From zakk at timedoctor.org Wed Nov 13 17:56:20 2002 From: zakk at timedoctor.org (zakk) Date: 13 Nov 2002 17:56:20 -0500 Subject: [lgfaq] Random behaviour In-Reply-To: <20021113225455.GP12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> References: <20021113225455.GP12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> Message-ID: <1037228182.18917.3.camel@TARDIS.MKII> On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 17:54, Chunky Kibbles wrote: > This project [the lgfaq] "is a dictatorship", in as many words. > > When I said that a vote should be called on this ml to see whether or > not BSD stuff should go into the lgfaq, I was told that since it's not > a democracy, that wasn't the right thing, and that BSD drivers simply > would not go into the lgfaq. > I said you could create another file in the lgfaq CVS for the BSD things. > The hell with anything else. This is not acceptable behaviour. > You abusing the webserver is not acceptable behaviour. > This started off as something incredibly petty, and has now got into > something that's personally abusive. To me. I believe Greg is with me on > this, also. > Greg also seems to think abusing the webserver is fine too. > What is the correct response that's expected to come from myself and > possible others [notably, Greg] at this point? > > Gary You are both being removed from the lgfaq group. I will not have untrustworthy people working on my projects. -- -zakk zakk at timedoctor.org http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/ From chunky at icculus.org Wed Nov 13 18:09:38 2002 From: chunky at icculus.org (Chunky Kibbles) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:09:38 -0500 Subject: [lgfaq] Random behaviour In-Reply-To: <1037228182.18917.3.camel@TARDIS.MKII> References: <20021113225455.GP12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037228182.18917.3.camel@TARDIS.MKII> Message-ID: <20021113230938.GQ12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 05:56:20PM -0500, zakk wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 17:54, Chunky Kibbles wrote: > > This project [the lgfaq] "is a dictatorship", in as many words. > > > > When I said that a vote should be called on this ml to see whether or > > not BSD stuff should go into the lgfaq, I was told that since it's not > > a democracy, that wasn't the right thing, and that BSD drivers simply > > would not go into the lgfaq. > > > I said you could create another file in the lgfaq CVS for the BSD > things. After much arguing. > > The hell with anything else. This is not acceptable behaviour. > > > You abusing the webserver is not acceptable behaviour. Two things: 1) I posted stuff. It was either removed or edited. At no point did I ever edit or remove anything myself. 2) Timedoctor is, in fact, a completely different "thing" to the lgfaq, and arguments relating to one should not be moved to, or have any effect on, the other. Of which I amy be partly responsible for mentioning something one argument from one and one argument from the other. > > What is the correct response that's expected to come from myself and > > possible others [notably, Greg] at this point? > > You are both being removed from the lgfaq group. > I will not have untrustworthy people working on my projects. At what point did I become untrustworthy? Would it be at the point my posts were edited to say something completely contrary to what I meant, or would it be at the point where someone took me off the list of contributors to a project? From zakk at timedoctor.org Wed Nov 13 18:43:11 2002 From: zakk at timedoctor.org (zakk) Date: 13 Nov 2002 18:43:11 -0500 Subject: [lgfaq] Random behaviour In-Reply-To: <20021113230938.GQ12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> References: <20021113225455.GP12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037228182.18917.3.camel@TARDIS.MKII> <20021113230938.GQ12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> Message-ID: <1037230992.19410.19.camel@TARDIS.MKII> On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 18:09, Chunky Kibbles wrote: > After much arguing. I still haven't heard a good reason why the Linux Gamers' FAQ should cover BSD. I do see the BSD people as needing a similar document but nobody provided any good way to handle it until I thought up a way to deal with BSD. > Two things: > 1) I posted stuff. It was either removed or edited. At no point did I > ever edit or remove anything myself. > 2) Timedoctor is, in fact, a completely different "thing" to the > lgfaq, and arguments relating to one should not be moved to, or have > any effect on, the other. You and treke say that he was the only one who fucked with td.o. I don't take such things lightly. > At what point did I become untrustworthy? Would it be at the point my > posts were edited to say something completely contrary to what I > meant, or would it be at the point where someone took me off the list > of contributors to a project? You are off the list of the contributors because that is the list for active contributors, and people who can't be credited in the CVS, which is the only place credit is recorded. You are untrustworthy since you and treke decided to fuck with td.o Fucking with projects I maintain lowers your credibility. I don't want people who aren't credible being rewarded with the ability to dick with other projects. -- -zakk zakk at timedoctor.org http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/ From greg at treke.net Wed Nov 13 20:01:10 2002 From: greg at treke.net (Greg Gilbert) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:01:10 -0800 Subject: [lgfaq] Random behaviour In-Reply-To: <1037230992.19410.19.camel@TARDIS.MKII> References: <20021113225455.GP12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037228182.18917.3.camel@TARDIS.MKII> <20021113230938.GQ12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037230992.19410.19.camel@TARDIS.MKII> Message-ID: <20021114010110.GA6520@tinman.treke.net> * zakk (zakk at timedoctor.org) wrote: > You and treke say that he was the only one who fucked with td.o. I don't > take such things lightly. I dont get the logic here. I deleted the post you modified, therefore Chunky is untrustworthy? That doesnt make the slightest sense. If you wanted to say you couldnt trust me, fine that would be logical. I do however stand completly behind removing that post, and frankly would do it again. Greg From chunky at icculus.org Wed Nov 13 19:14:21 2002 From: chunky at icculus.org (Chunky Kibbles) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:14:21 -0500 Subject: [lgfaq] Random behaviour In-Reply-To: <1037230992.19410.19.camel@TARDIS.MKII> References: <20021113225455.GP12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037228182.18917.3.camel@TARDIS.MKII> <20021113230938.GQ12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037230992.19410.19.camel@TARDIS.MKII> Message-ID: <20021114001421.GR12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 06:43:11PM -0500, zakk wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 18:09, Chunky Kibbles wrote: > > > After much arguing. > > I still haven't heard a good reason why the Linux Gamers' FAQ should > cover BSD. I do see the BSD people as needing a similar document but > nobody provided any good way to handle it until I thought up a way to > deal with BSD. We discussed this the other day, but I'll give a couple comments here here: BSD Gamers play linux games. It would be really nice if the people on the ut2k3 mailing list could have some kind of reference they could use. Anything on a BSD-specific FAQ would have so much overlap with stuff on the lgfaq that it would make the two documents completely annoying to have to deal with. BSD Gamers also have nothing at the moment, and this is offering them something. I won't maintain a separate faq, where I answer all the same questions as I do on this one. > > Two things: > > 1) I posted stuff. It was either removed or edited. At no point did I > > ever edit or remove anything myself. > > 2) Timedoctor is, in fact, a completely different "thing" to the > > lgfaq, and arguments relating to one should not be moved to, or have > > any effect on, the other. > > You and treke say that he was the only one who fucked with td.o. I don't > take such things lightly. Actually, read my .plan. You mess with td.o, which is fine. It's your website. Changing the word "ass" to "nose" is something that's clearly been edited, and I can see how you think it's "making with the funnay". In this case, though, you did it in a personally abusive way that actually put me out. I made a comment about loki_setup, you made a comment about loki_setup. I made a comment, and you changed it to be exactly the opposite of what I'd said, while making it appear that it still came from me. Putting the word playdoh on the end is effectively the same as changing "ass" to "nose", it still seemed that the rest of it had come from me. If you'd merely edited this so that it was "more funnay" as you claim were you reasons, making me say the opposite of what I said without changing anything else was not "more funnay" All of which is also something that should be discussed someplace else because this is the lgfaq mailing list. Unless this conversation is part of judging my trustworthyness. > > At what point did I become untrustworthy? Would it be at the point my > > posts were edited to say something completely contrary to what I > > meant, or would it be at the point where someone took me off the list > > of contributors to a project? > > You are off the list of the contributors because that is the list for > active contributors, and people who can't be credited in the CVS, which > is the only place credit is recorded. You are untrustworthy since you > and treke decided to fuck with td.o I repeat. I have NEVER, EVER, edited or removed ANY post on ANY forum, ANYWHERE, EVER. I will not speak for Greg, but his "fucking" with td.o, I believe, was removing the post that I found offensive, as a favor to me. > Fucking with projects I maintain lowers your credibility. I don't want > people who aren't credible being rewarded with the ability to dick with > other projects. Actually, I believe at this point that /you/ are "fucking" with this project in a wholly unacceptable and out-of-line fashion. I feel that I have contributed a non-trivial amount of work in the past and removing my cvs access and name from the credits is not acceptable in any public place. [although CVS access has not yet been removed, you told me it would be a few minutes ago] To be honest, also, a thought: It is my belief that the ownership/head maintainer of this project should be changed Gary From zakk at timedoctor.org Wed Nov 13 19:15:14 2002 From: zakk at timedoctor.org (zakk) Date: 13 Nov 2002 19:15:14 -0500 Subject: [lgfaq] Random behaviour In-Reply-To: <20021114010110.GA6520@tinman.treke.net> References: <20021113225455.GP12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037228182.18917.3.camel@TARDIS.MKII> <20021113230938.GQ12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037230992.19410.19.camel@TARDIS.MKII> <20021114010110.GA6520@tinman.treke.net> Message-ID: <1037232915.19939.2.camel@TARDIS.MKII> On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:01, Greg Gilbert wrote: > I dont get the logic here. I deleted the post you modified, > therefore Chunky is untrustworthy? That doesnt make the slightest > sense. If you wanted to say you couldnt trust me, fine that would be > logical. I do however stand completly behind removing that post, and > frankly would do it again. Chunky has said that he attempted to load the page which allows editing. Thus, he would have done it if he had the opportunity. -- -zakk zakk at timedoctor.org http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/ From chunky at icculus.org Wed Nov 13 19:28:32 2002 From: chunky at icculus.org (Chunky Kibbles) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:28:32 -0500 Subject: [lgfaq] Random behaviour In-Reply-To: <1037232915.19939.2.camel@TARDIS.MKII> References: <20021113225455.GP12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037228182.18917.3.camel@TARDIS.MKII> <20021113230938.GQ12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037230992.19410.19.camel@TARDIS.MKII> <20021114010110.GA6520@tinman.treke.net> <1037232915.19939.2.camel@TARDIS.MKII> Message-ID: <20021114002832.GS12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 07:15:14PM -0500, zakk wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 20:01, Greg Gilbert wrote: > > I dont get the logic here. I deleted the post you modified, > > therefore Chunky is untrustworthy? That doesnt make the slightest > > sense. If you wanted to say you couldnt trust me, fine that would be > > logical. I do however stand completly behind removing that post, and > > frankly would do it again. > > Chunky has said that he attempted to load the page which allows editing. > Thus, he would have done it if he had the opportunity. Hahahahahahaha. I also have a CD player in my computer, therefore I would rip copy-protected CDs if I could. It should also be noted that with security like there is on the td.o forums, I could edit comments at any time, but choose not to. Let me explain: Having written that, I realised that it can actually be used for evil, so I've removed it. The security on td.o is trivial. Also, please note that this is still not an argument about timedoctor, but about the linux gaming faq. From zakk at timedoctor.org Wed Nov 13 19:29:45 2002 From: zakk at timedoctor.org (zakk) Date: 13 Nov 2002 19:29:45 -0500 Subject: [lgfaq] Random behaviour In-Reply-To: <20021114002832.GS12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> References: <20021113225455.GP12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037228182.18917.3.camel@TARDIS.MKII> <20021113230938.GQ12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> <1037230992.19410.19.camel@TARDIS.MKII> <20021114010110.GA6520@tinman.treke.net> <1037232915.19939.2.camel@TARDIS.MKII> <20021114002832.GS12165@gamehenge.icculus.org> Message-ID: <1037233786.19949.22.camel@TARDIS.MKII> On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 19:28, Chunky Kibbles wrote: > > Hahahahahahaha. > > I also have a CD player in my computer, therefore I would rip > copy-protected CDs if I could. > This isn't about some RIAA or anything, this is about the fact that you actually tried to load the page, and yes I am aware how terribly insecure the forums are. I doubt you loaded the page just so you could warn me about the insecurity. > Also, please note that this is still not an argument about timedoctor, > but about the linux gaming faq. This is an argument you brought up on the list, I am merely responding to your remarks. This is also my project, which you are being removed from. -- -zakk zakk at timedoctor.org http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/ From lance_tt at bellsouth.net Mon Nov 18 16:40:03 2002 From: lance_tt at bellsouth.net (Lance) Date: 18 Nov 2002 15:40:03 -0600 Subject: channel #creative started today on irc.openprojects.org In-Reply-To: <20021101164101.GB17887@gamehenge.icculus.org> References: <20021101024138.GH21283@gamehenge.icculus.org> <20021101164101.GB17887@gamehenge.icculus.org> Message-ID: <1037655613.24968.35.camel@localhost> for anyone on this list who is interested in the open souce development and support of Creative pc hardware products, today i just started #creative on irc.openprojects.net, with the blessing of the one avid oss/fsf creative developer that i know of, garin heibert. he should be popping in and out of the channel as well as "Dev" from opensound.com. trying to get as many developers as possible interested in the channel so that we can move forward with projects like OpenAL and other advanced audio compatible with Linux and other OSS/FSF projects. lance From acnrvi at tin.it Tue Nov 26 18:52:42 2002 From: acnrvi at tin.it (^(o,o)^ Turk2000) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:52:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: RTCW: Enemy Territory Message-ID: Hallo! I would like if Enemy Territory will go out for Linux too. Have you news for me? Thank you. Turk. From zakk at timedoctor.org Fri Nov 29 23:12:00 2002 From: zakk at timedoctor.org (zakk) Date: 29 Nov 2002 23:12:00 -0500 Subject: [lgfaq] RTCW: Enemy Territory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1038629520.2096.4.camel@TARDIS.MKII> I'm pretty sure TTimo commented on linuxgames.com some time ago with positive news on a Linux version. -- -zakk zakk at timedoctor.org http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/ From acnrvi at tin.it Sat Nov 30 09:21:14 2002 From: acnrvi at tin.it (^(o,o)^ Turk2000) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:21:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [lgfaq] RTCW: Enemy Territory In-Reply-To: <1038629520.2096.4.camel@TARDIS.MKII> Message-ID: On 29 Nov 2002, zakk said me 8-) #-zakk -# I'm pretty sure TTimo commented on linuxgames.com some time ago with #-zakk -# positive news on a Linux version. Thank you very much! Because of my bad english I'm looked like a rude person. Sorry and thanks again Zakk. Turk.