<div>I say that a group of community modders and mappers gets together and starts a "source" mod. Call it MW2:Source or something like that.</div>
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<div>Make it badass and build it off the source engine. Make the maps exactly like in MW2, models and all. Then for a map pack make the stock cod4 maps/models and so on.</div>
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<div>What do you all say....</div>
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<div>Wizz<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:iam8up@gmail.com">iam8up@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Did anyone think that maybe they're trying to take away Halo 3 players?<br><br>On 10/20/09, Lars Vik <<a href="mailto:lars@3056.net">lars@3056.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>><br>> I have both xbox 360 and PS3, but use the consoles mainly for ...well...<br>> console games. Like racing games, Rockband etc. But is it really<br>> possible to play FPS on console? I have tried misc FPS demos and so on,<br>
> but I find it hopeless. Clearly, if the majority of CoD players are on<br>> console, i must have missed something? I.e. can you get keyboard/mouse<br>> to xbox 360? They aren't seriously using the hand controller/joystick?<br>
><br>> I am also a bit surprised IW are selling more of a FPS game to console<br>> than to PC. I can't help but thing that I am getting old or something<br>> like that. That I am out of the loop so to speak.<br>
><br>> Hmmm....<br>><br>> John Kennington wrote:<br>>> There was a group of modders that tried that and succeeded, somewhat.<br>>> Red Oktober is a mod and is a decent game, however it is far to<br>
>> realistic for the casual player.<br>>><br>>> John<br>>><br>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM, escapedturkey<br>>> <<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Tough to say. I think the mod community, if combining forces, can<br>>> make any game engine or mod run better, faster, and more fun.<br>
>> Faith in the community. For open-source, my vote goes to:<br>>> <a href="http://xreal-project.net/" target="_blank">http://xreal-project.net</a> -- based on IOQuake3.<br>>><br>>> However, even IOQuake3 will do:<br>
>><br>>> <a href="http://ioquake3.org/" target="_blank">http://ioquake3.org</a><br>>><br>>> Enuff of my rambling ...<br>>><br>>> Martin H wrote:<br>>><br>>> Problem with the source engine is its not so good at making a<br>
>> game like CoD, of all the mods i've played to date the only<br>>> one that had potential imo was Insurgency. Which although fun,<br>>> didnt come close to the gameplay of CoD<br>
>><br>>> I just dont think the source engine is cut out for a game like<br>>> cod. come to think of it though, i cant think of anything that<br>>> is...<br>>><br>>> One of the gripes i have with the system they intend on using<br>
>> is, if the matchmaking system always puts you against people<br>>> at your skill level, how is a player meant to progress? i've<br>>> always found the best way to improve is to be subjected to<br>
>> repeated raping. If IWNet dumps you with players on your<br>>> level, you just wont improve.<br>>><br>>> It says its done on "skill level". How is a skill level<br>
>> determined? Average KD ratio? if thats the case, players will<br>>> be flying up and down the skill rankings every time they have<br>>> a bad/good day. If a player is doing particularly well on a<br>
>> certain day, their KD ratio would increase. But the next day,<br>>> if they're back to 'normal' levels, they'll be way out of<br>>> their depth. Or vice versa. quite easy to have a bad day, and<br>
>> then find yourself on a server with people way below your<br>>> actual skill rating.<br>>><br>>> "The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that<br>>> you don’t have to worry about joining a server full of<br>
>> aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on the server<br>>> admin of the server to constantly be monitoring, banning, and<br>>> policing it."<br>>><br>>> Yeah, thats great until theres an admin that isnt 100% clued<br>
>> up on banning people, and theres a guy on the server who's<br>>> name is changing every two seconds. Its going to be no<br>>> different than a CoD4 server in reality.<br>>><br>
>> Surely the better way to get rid of cheating would be to seal<br>>> up all the holes that allow these hacks to be created in the<br>>> first place?<br>>><br>>> 2009/10/20 Joker{eXtreme+} <<a href="mailto:joker@mycallofduty.com">joker@mycallofduty.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:joker@mycallofduty.com">joker@mycallofduty.com</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:joker@mycallofduty.com">joker@mycallofduty.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:joker@mycallofduty.com">joker@mycallofduty.com</a>>>><br>
>><br>>><br>>> Another post by Bowling<br>>> <a href="http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745" target="_blank">http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745</a><br>>><br>>> ~Joker<br>
>><br>>><br>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "escapedturkey"<br>>> <<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a>><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a>>>><br>
>><br>>><br>>> To: "Call of Duty server admin list." <<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>>>><br>>><br>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:06 AM<br>
>><br>>> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on<br>>> the PC<br>>><br>>><br>>> Best thing to do is start with the mod makers in that first<br>
>> interview.<br>>> Have them get together with a single purpose "make or mod an<br>>> alternative".<br>>><br>>> Valve offers great support:<br>
>><br>>><br>>><br>>> <a href="http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Building_Mods_with_Valve_Technology" target="_blank">http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Building_Mods_with_Valve_Technology</a><br>
>><br>>> :)<br>>><br>>> Bong-Master wrote:<br>>><br>>> broken record Lmfto no just a long record lol any how,<br>>> how &<br>>> were do you<br>
>> start ?<br>>> --------------------------------------------------<br>>> From: "escapedturkey" <<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a>><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a>>>><br>>><br>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:55 PM<br>>> To: "Call of Duty server admin list." <<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>>>><br>
>><br>>> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2<br>>> on the PC<br>>><br>>> Exactly. I don't see why this can't be done via the<br>
>> Source<br>>> engine or<br>>> other means. All the weapons, game play, and such<br>>> can be<br>>> replicated.<br>>><br>
>> Valve shows a lot of support, has VAC, dedicated Linux<br>>> binares, etc.<br>>><br>>> Anyhow, I am sounding like a broken record. :)<br>
>><br>>> Hannu Kumpeli wrote:<br>>><br>>> Lets put the money together from the 100,000+<br>>> signatures<br>>> and let some<br>
>> company make us the game we want with DEDI<br>>> SUPPORT :D<br>>><br>>> Let's go open-source or Source engine! :)<br>>><br>>> As I listened to the interview most of the<br>
>> people<br>>> talking were<br>>> modders. Can't they all come together and do a<br>>> Source mod or open<br>
>> source project?<br>>><br>>> I'm sure a Source engine mod would work<br>>> quite well.<br>>><br>>> Source and open-source aren't the same, for<br>
>> anyone<br>>> confused. :)<br>>><br>>> Joker{eXtreme+} wrote:<br>>><br>>> Confirmation that they are still NOT<br>
>> going to<br>>> put in Dedi Server<br>>> support.<br>>><br>>> I'm done. Thank you all and have a<br>
>> good life.<br>>><br>>> ~Joker<br>>><br>>><br>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:<br>>> "Einar S. Idsø"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:einar.cod@norsk-esport.no">einar.cod@norsk-esport.no</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:einar.cod@norsk-esport.no">einar.cod@norsk-esport.no</a>><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:einar.cod@norsk-esport.no">einar.cod@norsk-esport.no</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:einar.cod@norsk-esport.no">einar.cod@norsk-esport.no</a>>>><br>
>><br>>> To: "Call of Duty server admin list."<br>>> <<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>>>><br>>><br>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:32 AM<br>>> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent,<br>
>> Modern<br>>> Warfare 2 on the PC<br>>><br>>><br>>> Just out: Official Infinity Ward<br>>> response to<br>
>> #MW2 PC players<br>>><br>>><br>>> <a href="http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx" target="_blank">http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx</a><br>
>><br>>><br>>> Cheers,<br>>> Einar<br>>><br>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:12 PM,<br>>> escapedturkey<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a>><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com">escapedturkey@escapedturkey.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>>> Wouldn't it best to offer both?<br>>><br>>> IW.net and dedicated servers as an<br>>> option?<br>>><br>
>> That way they can see by the statistics<br>>> which is the preferred<br>>> mode of game<br>>> play.<br>
>><br>>> Schlup wrote:<br>>><br>>> Yes fake, was there really any<br>>> doubt?<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Mavrick<br>>><br>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a>><br>
>><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a>>>] Sent:<br>
>> Tuesday,<br>>> October 20,<br>>> 2009 7:42 AM<br>>> To: Call of Duty server admin list.<br>
>> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have<br>>> to vent,<br>>> Modern Warfare 2 on the PC<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>
>><br>>> <a href="http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E" target="_blank">http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E</a><br>>><br>
>> <<a href="http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E" target="_blank">http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E</a>><br>>><br>
>><br>>> <<a href="http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E" target="_blank">http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E</a><br>>><br>
>> <<a href="http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E" target="_blank">http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-AD32-B162A0A3049E</a>>><br>>><br>
>><br>>> fake?<br>>><br>>> Richard GrosJean wrote:<br>>><br>>> 120k signatures to go until it<br>
>> reaches the famed Starcraft<br>>> 2 LAN<br>>> petition<br>>> status.<br>
>><br>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at<br>>> 8:21 AM,<br>>> Mavrick Master<br>>> <<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a>><br>>><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a>>><br>>><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a>><br>>><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mavrick.master@gmail.com">mavrick.master@gmail.com</a>>>>><br>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> 84884 Total Signatures and<br>
>> counting...<br>>><br>>> **grabs another popcorn**<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
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