Guys - this is a long term M$ grab at GSP hosting fees.<br><br>Think about it. <br><br>Organize and go to the DOJ.<br><br>I'd be very interested to see the agreement between M$ and Acti/IW.<br><br>Nobody/company in their right mind would drop support for an entire segement of the game without some hefty incentive. I wonder where that incentive is coming from????<br>
<br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:00 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cod-request@icculus.org">cod-request@icculus.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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1. Re: Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC (Petr Jelinek)<br>
2. Re: Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC<br>
(Richard GrosJean)<br>
3. Re: Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC<br>
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:51:43 +0200<br>
From: Petr Jelinek <<a href="mailto:pjmodos@seznam.cz">pjmodos@seznam.cz</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC<br>
To: "Call of Duty server admin list." <<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4ADB2B7F.6030409@seznam.cz">4ADB2B7F.6030409@seznam.cz</a>><br>
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Christian Gerbrandt napsal(a):<br>
> I followed the email thread here, and also listened to the webcast.<br>
> There are some major changes in the way online multiplayer is used for MW2.<br>
> But may I also point you to another game, which made almost the same<br>
> changes, and is more popular then before?<br>
><br>
> Quake Live<br>
><br>
> I know you can't really compare QL with MW2, but to some extend you can.<br>
> Id has taken the step, and took their whole gaming experience into the<br>
> webbrowser.<br>
> Obviously, you can't host a dedicated Server anymore. That is all done by<br>
> id.<br>
> They host everything.<br>
><br>
> The point here is, the community is playing it, a lot.<br>
> It is played on a professional level in big tournaments.<br>
><br>
<br>
Not the same, id came to big GSPs (and ISPs with game hosting<br>
experience) and rented servers from them on which they run/manage/admin QL.<br>
<br>
If MW2 has console style system, which would mean users running listen<br>
servers on their home machine with their home internet connection then<br>
that's completely different scenario.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Regards<br>
Petr Jelinek (PJMODOS)<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:24:02 +0300<br>
From: Richard GrosJean <<a href="mailto:richard.grosjean@gmail.com">richard.grosjean@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC<br>
To: "Call of Duty server admin list." <<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>><br>
Message-ID:<br>
<<a href="mailto:136e6bbf0910180824r192f094haa9b57f264174d38@mail.gmail.com">136e6bbf0910180824r192f094haa9b57f264174d38@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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You have got a nice ball rolling, sir.<br>
<br>
What happens next though? Does Ryan C. Gordon beam down, snap his fingers<br>
and release Linux bins? :-D<br>
<br>
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 AM, James Landi <<a href="mailto:jim@landi.net">jim@landi.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> First let me say that I will not be hosting or releasing any files for MW2,<br>
> With the lack of any response or support from IW or Activision I see no<br>
> reason to support them with my bandwidth, community or access. Hell after<br>
> my public comments I may not have access to these files anymore, but that's<br>
> fine I can move on to other games and or hobbies rather quickly. Sorry<br>
> there's no kissing ass on my end.<br>
><br>
> I've already informed my community that MW2 is a "must wait for patch"<br>
> title and not to pre-order or purchase on day one.<br>
><br>
> Not sure if any GSPs are pre-renting MW2 servers but you should be very<br>
> careful and watch yourselves. With the lack of any real PC related<br>
> information, worst then any past Call of Duty title to date, I can only feel<br>
> that we are in for a very bumpy road as well as some very bad headaches.<br>
> If there's any type of dedicated server in the box, you already know it's<br>
> going to be Windows only, for god knows how long. That combined with<br>
> unreleased system specs for the clients means they don't know what or how<br>
> it's going to run.<br>
> Then there is this whole rumor about the PC version being delayed. It's<br>
> been close to 2 weeks now and Activision, IW and or 402 have yet to confirm<br>
> or deny the rumors in public. That can only mean they are trying to rush<br>
> what ever they have out the door. Unfortunately we'll have to pay for their<br>
> rushing a product that unlike past Call of duty titles from IW their hearts<br>
> are not in it this time. Which means for us, a buggy game with many<br>
> unsolved issues when it's released.<br>
><br>
> With the lack of any information or simply communications from IW in<br>
> regards to the PC side of this game so close to release, what make anyone<br>
> think that we'll get the support after the game ships?<br>
><br>
> Sorry for my rant Rudedog out.<br>
><br>
> Jim Landi<br>
> Rudedog<br>
> FPSadmin.com<br>
> Microsoft MVP, Games for Windows<br>
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:51:52 +0200<br>
From: "Thomas Toka / <a href="http://www.serverman.de" target="_blank">www.serverman.de</a>" <<a href="mailto:webmaster@serverman.de">webmaster@serverman.de</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC<br>
To: "Call of Duty server admin list." <<a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>><br>
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He is surely under NDA again or really did not know. Otherwise he would<br>
have told us.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards to all those business guys who planned this disaster:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.coflash.com/stuff/iw.gif" target="_blank">http://www.coflash.com/stuff/iw.gif</a><br>
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The picture made my day. Usually i dont like this abusive stuff but it<br>
fits 100% .<br>
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;-)<br>
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Richard GrosJean wrote:<br>
> You have got a nice ball rolling, sir.<br>
><br>
> What happens next though? Does Ryan C. Gordon beam down, snap his<br>
> fingers and release Linux bins? :-D<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:08 AM, James Landi <<a href="mailto:jim@landi.net">jim@landi.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jim@landi.net">jim@landi.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> First let me say that I will not be hosting or releasing any files<br>
> for MW2, With the lack of any response or support from IW or<br>
> Activision I see no reason to support them with my bandwidth,<br>
> community or access. Hell after my public comments I may not have<br>
> access to these files anymore, but that's fine I can move on to<br>
> other games and or hobbies rather quickly. Sorry there's no<br>
> kissing ass on my end.<br>
><br>
> I've already informed my community that MW2 is a "must wait for<br>
> patch" title and not to pre-order or purchase on day one.<br>
><br>
> Not sure if any GSPs are pre-renting MW2 servers but you should be<br>
> very careful and watch yourselves. With the lack of any real PC<br>
> related information, worst then any past Call of Duty title to<br>
> date, I can only feel that we are in for a very bumpy road as well<br>
> as some very bad headaches.<br>
> If there's any type of dedicated server in the box, you already<br>
> know it's going to be Windows only, for god knows how long. That<br>
> combined with unreleased system specs for the clients means they<br>
> don't know what or how it's going to run.<br>
> Then there is this whole rumor about the PC version being delayed.<br>
> It's been close to 2 weeks now and Activision, IW and or 402 have<br>
> yet to confirm or deny the rumors in public. That can only mean<br>
> they are trying to rush what ever they have out the door.<br>
> Unfortunately we'll have to pay for their rushing a product that<br>
> unlike past Call of duty titles from IW their hearts are not in it<br>
> this time. Which means for us, a buggy game with many unsolved<br>
> issues when it's released.<br>
><br>
> With the lack of any information or simply communications from IW<br>
> in regards to the PC side of this game so close to release, what<br>
> make anyone think that we'll get the support after the game ships?<br>
><br>
> Sorry for my rant Rudedog out.<br>
><br>
> Jim Landi<br>
> Rudedog<br>
> FPSadmin.com<br>
> Microsoft MVP, Games for Windows<br>
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