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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I personally have a windows 08 server VM that can run
a 32 man UO server, 32 man COD2 & a 32 man COD5 server at the same time.
The most people we know that have been on it is 35 and it ran fine, the real
issue is bandwidth. You have to have plenty of it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>We are using Virtual Iron on one stack of servers and
it will move heavily loaded VM’s to less loaded boxes without reboot them. Simular
to Vmotion from Vmware, just cheaper! </span></font><font face=Wingdings><span
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Rick Payton [mailto:rick@mai-hawaii.com]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 15, 2009
7:03 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> cod@icculus.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [cod] Mmmm... cores</span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>It was one VM
hosting all the game servers, with about 9 other VM's hosting various websites
and applications. Never occurred to me to run multiple VM's for multiple game
servers. OOhhhhhh gotta test that setup :P</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-mauirixxx</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div id=idSignature56328>Rick Payton<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I.T. Manager<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Morikawa & Associates<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(808) 572-1745 Office<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(808) 572-6323 Fax<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>http://www.mai-hawaii.com/ <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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"Einar S. idsų" [mailto:einar.cod@norsk-esport.no]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thu 1/15/2009 4:45 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> cod@icculus.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cod] Mmmm... cores</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Interesting. How many VEs did the ESX host run? If it only ran one, then<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>it sounds quite okay, but if it ran one for each server, then I am very <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>impressed! Not only does the host have to task-switch between each server <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>in the VEs, it also has to switch between each VE.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>When it comes to L4D, it runs at a pretty low server-FPS of ~30, and it<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>is generally not a game where accuracy at high speeds is important. So L4D<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>doesn't require the same real-time performance as e.g CSS. COD4 I don't <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>know and currently can't check the tick-rate of, but I imagine it is <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>significantly lower than 100, making it also less dependent on RT-performance. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Wonder how 100 tick (by config) CSS servers would fare on a host with 8 <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>cores and 8 VEs...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Einar<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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Rick Payton wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I run my game servers in
both a VMware ESX and ESXi environment. the ESXi setup is only pushing a single
14 player game server, but I used the ESX host to push 8 Left 4 Dead servers,
as well as the COD4 and about 5 other steam based servers, with nary an issue.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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"Einar S. idsų" [<a href="mailto:einar.cod@norsk-esport.no">mailto:einar.cod@norsk-esport.no</a>]
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 08, 2009
7:24 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cod] Mmmm... cores</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Do virtual servers actually work well with
game-servers? We use virtual servers for<br>
a lot of things, but for our game servers we use only pure physical hosts. I
would<br>
think that real-time properties, which are quite important for game-servers as<br>
opposed to webservers, sql-servers and mailservers, would be quite poor for <br>
virtualised servers.<br>
<br>
Which virtualisation solutions have proven to work for past-paced games? And is<br>
there a certain trick to setting them up, such as binding a virtual server to a
single<br>
core?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Einar<br>
<br>
Dallas Crandall wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><!--[if
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0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Each game server, as far
as I know will only use a single core so virtual is what this bad boy was made
for. </span></font><font face=Wingdings><span style='font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font>
This machine in our environment running Linux game servers, we would be able to
run 40-50 game servers on this single box! Currently we run 6-10 windows
servers on a single dual core xeon w/8gigs of ram. Remember Vmware allows over
commitment of memory!!! Most others do not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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