<div>S'ok, I just find the whole thread a little odd, but its always the way when criticical posts take threads offtopic and for me do more harm than good and detract from people posting more to get to a decent solution.</div>
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<div>Going to try and explain a situation though that maybe some will understand, some won't but it may give some ideas why people sometimes aren't all that forthcoming as much as we'd like sometimes including myself.</div>
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<div>Personally I have been given specific instructions not to help other people with code I've written for other companies, I have no choice in the matter, simple as that. Same goes pretty much with other support I do. Yet I want to help people, I enjoy gaming, I enjoy coding (no not even that good, far from it), I'm not on these lists just to annoy people or to suck up information and give nothing in return as most aren't. How do I get around it? By pretty much being anonymous and trying to help people as much as I can without releasing any code written for someone else certainly.
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<div>Now you typically won't get much/any released code from any main hoster (can't think of any off the top of my head), etc with very few exceptions. You will get a lot of people trying to help with a hand tied behind their back however, knowing on the one hand they'd like to release every bit of code (no matter how crummy, it will help someone) yet knowing they can't, but they will spend lots of time helping others get to that same point of having at least similar code or achieving what they want, or helping them learn.
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<div>If they have the will, others will help them get there. If anyone wanted to do a public collaboration for example on this emailing list and everyone contribute as an ongoing project I'd personally be willing to help and chances are it "could" end up better than any single solution bar the odd very larger project out there. I doubt it would happen, but would be very interesting if it did.
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<div>It also does come down to a little the way I see irc though, I spend lots of time in the main channels helping people. Typically I won't give a full script or config, I will "always" try and help people to understand so they can for themselves though create whatever they want and give ideas that maybe they hadn't thought of (and I receive the same in return gaining ideas I hadn't thought of). It's a win/win situation, criticism does only one thing, it stops anything productive from being forthcoming, I've seen it time and time again (and no not having a go). There's criticism and there's constructive criticism, and most genuine people will always take the latter.
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<div>Anyway, just wanted to get away from the criticisms and try and explain a little why everything isn't so obvious when lots of people are probably using scripts already and everyone isn't suddenly posting them. The help is here, and I'm sure most just want the threads to keep on a constructive mode and even if it takes 20 posts to get there end up with a decent solution.
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/18/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">frenton</b> <<a href="mailto:frenton@orcon.net.nz">frenton@orcon.net.nz</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hey,<br>i didn't want to be offensive to anyone. And i didn't suggest to use<br>Google (sorry if it has been misunderstood by my bad english), that's
<br>what i critized! If I had a script for monitoring purposes i would have<br>published it here, but unfortunately i haven't. So the thing what i<br>"critize" (if so) is that suggesting a Google search can't make anyone
<br>to write a linux shell script for monitoring purposes.<br><br>BTW: And hey, I got tons of very useful helping hints here through this<br>list! Anyway...<br></blockquote></div>