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Yes, theplanet is V. good. We have our servers in the same
place.<br>
I have all the same positive things to say about them. I post<br>
on their forums every now and then, which of course is largely<br>
made up of server resellers, as not many clans go for these<br>
servers. (Some do go for there less expensive partner<br>
servermatrix). It was a bit bumpy for 4 months when they<br>
added that addl data center, and re-groomed their fiber.<br><br>
I was having trouble with all users on all servers getting kicked,<br>
and I knew it was a BGP adjacency issue related to a routing<br>
problem. I was PO'ed, and asked them if they wanted me to<br>
come down and fix it for them for free. Then again I have <br>
offered my services to Cablevision as well, waving my companies<br>
$3200 per diem rate, just to resolve a issue with one of their<br>
peering partners. (Try telling one of your ISP's that there is a<br>
contention issue impacting customers, mostly ones who<br>
are serious gamers (since those browsing the Internet will not<br>
notice sporadic latency here and there. A gamer will lag).<br><br>
I hooked up a $18,000 HP 783 test kit, and ran it for a few days.<br>
I knew the problem was a problem 28ms in to one of their<br>
peering partners. That meant either Abovenet, Global
Crossing,<br>
Level3, SBC, or whoever had their primary trunk to Va, because<br>
with a refraction index of fiber at about 1.5, photonic light
travel<br>
is reduced to approx 200,000,000Km/s from the "speed of light<br>
in a vacuum of 300,000,000km/s allowing for some cached<br>
routing, and switching adding in up to 4ms, which is a near<br>
eternity for God's sake, to get to the backbone provider, that<br>
is as far as 28ms will take you, (ie. MAE East).<br><br>
So I jumped off and dumped 2 cable lines, and put in a DSL like.<br>
I was about to go to 2 DSL lines, when they resoled their<br>
problem. (Not CV, the peering provider likely noticed the
bottleneck.<br>
I don't think CV has the talent to resolve such a problem).<br><br>
Well, I forgot what the hell I was talking about now. ;-0))<br><br>
Oh yea... thank god for the scroll button, (aka melee attack<br>
button)....<br><br>
I wouldn't change server providers as well. <br><br>
RE: BF2: I think if people don't get wise to the fact that<br>
Ranking in BF2 means little, there will continue to be empty<br>
unranked servers out there... or not. :-(<br><br>
I mean... to get to master gunnery Sgt by playing for 6<br>
years, (no SSSS&S)*, not just (SSS&S)*, ) and rack up<br>
70,000pts a day, or 53kills per min. OMG, is it really worth<br>
it to get the right to command a few pea shooters?<br><br>
*(SSS&S is the old saying Sh*t, Shower, Shave and Shampoo),<br>
in this case the calculations are based on no (Sleep, Sh*t, Shower<br>
Shave or Shampoo), 6 years, 24x7x365 at 70,000 a day ;-)<br><br>
When they figure this out, they will play ranked and unranked.<br>
EA has put the code out there to mod, but said you can't<br>
mod a ranked server, and they reserve the right to de-list<br>
any mods they don't like. Ever read "Big Brother"?
Roots?<br>
a Harlequin romance novel? How about "Oh the places<br>
we will go?", Dr Swiss?<br><br>
Your points about the UT Linux binaries are all true. Why is BF2<br>
so messed up?? Think they outsourced it to a 3rd world<br>
country where skills are not as good, based on my own<br>
experience, as they wish to make U.S business believe?<br><br>
I would be shocked if we have to go through the full issues<br>
we went through on the COD II Linux binaries. I expect some<br>
issues, but not ones that will kill the server for a month.<br>
Yes, I recall COD:UO server. ;-( I think a lot was learned<br>
since then. It would be very nice indeed if they released to<br>
this list first. We are more than happy to find any
"crushing<br>
blows" before full release. Just to avoid what is happening<br>
at EA/Dice now, and COD:UO last time. It won't be perfect,<br>
but just to make sure it runs. It is a small tight knit
community<br>
and a good resource I hope they use.<br><br>
I honestly am having a hard time at this point telling the
difference<br>
based on what I have been able to see, between BF2, COD2, <br>
and DOD:Source.... I think these are really the first games<br>
to come out for 3Gen GPU's... Surprising, as we would<br>
expect perhaps "brand new games, introduced with fanfare.<br><br>
However, the min specs for BF2 are a Geforce FX57XX... quite<br>
a jump... I think they just raised the bar. Even the Ultra
6800<br>
is questionable at higher resolutions. Check out this
review...<br><br>
<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2466" eudora="autourl">http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2466<br><br>
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</a>MD<br><br>
<br><br>
At 12:42 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>Doc,</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>You are about the funiest person on this
list and I am sure we all appreciate your humor !
=o)</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>The reason why I colocate at the Planet
is for the following:</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>1- Centrally
located</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>2- They have multiple
carriers</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>3- I pay a flat fee with no questions or
restrictions on bursts</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>4- There customer service is fantastic.
My tickets are answered wthin 15 minutes!</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>5- Servers are always
up</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>6- Never any issues concerning
lag</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>7- They keep me Happy, this means my
clients are Happy...</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>I invest the money I do in my servers
becasue I personally like to game. I take pride in my machines and love
to see them truck uphill. My clients are also happy so this makes a good
combination.</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>Not much money is made in server rental
by through one client but through massive clients.
</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>I never baby my clients, but only show
them the path to get info. If I did baby them, I wouldn't sleep but then
I never neglect them neither.</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>As you know I have been working on my
webadmin to control the games we rent. That is now completed. Now we are
working on the full automation of the game server rental process,
reaching every possible combination of configs and troubles a client will
come across. This process should take another few months to tweak but we
will release soon.</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>EA and BF II . What a sweet game....
what a memory leak...8 man server taking 1249 megs of ram...
ROFLMAO what a joke!</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>But when they finally tweak it, the game
will be beautiful. EA has a great rep at least with me they do.
Example...ut2004...see where that linux binary went? Smooth ..massive
smooth... I exspect the same with BF 2, may take time, but they will
address the issues.</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>COD II? OMFG...can't wait and yes there
will be no sleep as it was when COD was released untill we help Ryan
tweak the binaries as best as possible. But will COD II be
better than BF II ? Dunno but I certainly hope
so.</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>I wouldn't leave the planet to purchase
my own bandwidth. I am not that big nor what to be. After full
automation, my time will be invested in connecting machines and not game
servers so this is where I need the reliablity they
provide.</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>The day you get tired in making your own
clan servers, let me know, but I doubt if this day will ever
come....lol!</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>Have a good
night.</font><font size=3><br>
<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>-Jay</font><font size=3>
<dl>
<dd>----- Original Message -----
<dd>From: <a href="mailto:defilm@acm.org">Mark J. DeFilippis</a>
<dd>To: <a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>
<dd>Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:21 PM
<dd>Subject: Re: [cod] Laggy CoD:UO Server any updates???<br>
<dd>I am convinced that the issue with Cassino is related to the map
<dd>tracings. I don't run it unless it is for competition. Or
should
<dd>I say, it is not one of the type of maps you would want to put
<dd>up a 24x7 server on. ;-))<br>
<dd>Yes, am aware of Jay's system. Still using it every day.
<dd>I do need different configs for different mods, but I too
<dd>use the same base config.<br>
<dd>Pam does indeed cause the server to crash periodically.
<dd>This is true of 1.08 and was true of 1.07. For UO as
<dd>well 3.12. This is largely due to the fact that TWL/CAL
started
<dd>making code changes in addition to Cvar changes, and rules
<dd>files.<br>
<dd>I have reported numerous bugs and issues. (like the UO
<dd>map will get stuck on Stalingrad when the server is empty
<dd>and running latest pam 3.12. Goes through the rotation, and
<dd>gets never exists Stalingrad. You enter the server and it
<dd>is sitting at the "end of match map". Originally I
had this issue
<dd>and traced it back to an error in the rotation, but this is not
<dd>the case here... See this one at all?<br>
<dd>Don't even mention BF2. I assume you are following this
farce!
<dd>1. Original release is based on older code than the DEMO!
<dd> hence the 1.0 server crashes after every map
on every linux
<dd> version. (Yea, bet that was just too
hard to find in Q/A! OMFG!)
<dd>2. Yea! They release the patch 1.01. Stops the crash, and
adds
<dd> a memory bug that impacts the Windows and
Linux servers.
<dd> Oh No!! The Ranked server $$$
stream. Call in the coders
<dd> to patch windows for ranked servers NOW!
Done.
<dd> Linux server folks: "Err. Please
Roll back... we will get to ya...
<dd> We released the badly Q/A 1.01 patch for the
disaster not Q/A
<dd> at all 1.00 release that was based on
4 revisions older than the
<dd> released demo, and we still can't get it
right! But sheww! The
<dd> ranked Windows servers are printing money
again for EA!<br>
<dd>I am looking forward to COD II, and DOD: Source. Looks like
<dd>we may have DOD:Source first. Let them 14-18 y/o's teach
<dd>EA how it is done! Maybe it is better because the mod team
<dd>was too young to drink???<br>
<dd>Remember, IWN promised us a simultaneous release of WIN
<dd>and Linux servers. I also think Ryan has their ear now.<br>
<dd>With COD II coming due soon, there is an eerie silence
<dd>but it makes me wonder what the announced COD III will
<dd>be like? (Star-raiders?..... Ooof, am I dating myself??)<br>
<dd>COD II has the potential to Kick BF2's a**. I love BF1942,
<dd>don't get me wrong, but I am not all that impressed with BF2.<br>
<dd>Oh yea... 10GB, OMG! Is this on the quad CPU server?<br>
<dd>No one runs boxes like you Jay. Most take what the server
<dd>company offers. I did look in to doing a co-lo situation as
<dd>we once talked about, but I found if I co-lo a Dual CPU,
<dd>Dual core, and co-lo it at a data center, the bandwidth
<dd>turned out to be way more than I am paying for a plain
<dd>vanilla Dual CPU, RH 2.4, 2.6 SMP, 4GB now. I would
<dd>love to build my own, but the bandwidth is over-priced.
<dd>(Wholesale I can get bandwidth at $30/Meg/mo. So a
<dd>2 Meg Internet connection would cost me $60/mo.)
<dd>The problem is the loop and port charge. Port charge
<dd>is $200/mo, and loop is $600/mo.<br>
<dd>However, considering what you are running Jay, it may
<dd>pay overall to purchase your own bandwidth direct.
<dd>With telecom the way it is now, the markup from the
<dd>datacenters are high. While direct you won't get the
<dd>wholesale a DC will get. So it would be 30% more,
<dd>still likely less $.<br>
<dd>If you want to look in to something like this for Sh*t and
<dd>Giggles, let me know. Send me a location you would
<dd>want a termination. You could get an private based
<dd>MPLS circuit, direct peer in to the internet via a tier
<dd>1 carrier, with a CIR of 2Mbs, and Burst
<dd>up to PIR, Best effort traffic, no Discard enable on
<dd>burst for likely less than you are paying now. And I
<dd>am talking a DS3 port cost and loop, 2Mbs CIR,
<dd>43Mbs PIR.... I am serious. could be a nice savings.<br>
<br>
<dd>Mark<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>At 04:54 PM 7/9/2005, you
wrote:</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>He still had issues with high cpu with
cassino. I just don't get it. I can run it on my systems and not see the
cpu issue.</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>I only use one simple config, not five and
six linking each other to themselves....</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>He was also using pamuo and I don't put
them on my servers....</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>I also found that pam caused the server to
crash every once in a while but the clients don't seem to mind...they
just restart the server if this mod.</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>I have spoken to a hugh amount of people
who create mods or who love to tweak the code that is present for
coduo.... </font><font size=3></font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>They hate gm.... nothing new there, I
would have expected that....</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>Why don't they just fix the issues and
release the game new again? Oh because COD II will come out. That's
right.</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>But can they compete with EA {DICE} and BF
- II? But then again...they are still trying to fix their backflipped
memory leak on all systems...</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>Gamestate.... here's a word of
interest......
<a href="http://www.codextrem.com">www.codextrem.com</a> - Buddie
of mine made this mod... awesome mod ... has all the bells and
whistles....</font><font size=3></font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>But the mod is a cpu hog. 7 percent of one
cpu while no one in the game....</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>If I personally knew that my creation could
be tweaked and corrected, I would fix it. I would release my second game,
and then definately release a fixed version of the first game, just to
make everyone happy.</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>This cpu issue has caused thousands of
dollars of loss -> gsp providers feeel it the most as they battle for
the lowest amount of cash, dinero, they will ask per slot, making the
gaming server providers whores in this industry.
Shame....</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>Doc. J, some people don't think like us....
we would release a perfect version? Hell yea.</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>Ryan did a great job with what was provided
to him and he receives our praises daily, but the issue remains at
hand.... the orginal code has way too many flaws - but he prolly can't
address them... cause I know he would.</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>But having a beefed up machine does help.
Extra ram does help! People think I am nuts when I show them new boxes
such as ...</font><font size=3>
<dd> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>top - 15:40:49 up 3 days, 23:15, 1
user, load average: 0.05, 0.06, 0.01
<dd>Tasks: 85 total, 1 running, 84
sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
<dd>Cpu(s): 1.7% us, 0.1% sy, 0.0% ni, 98.2% id,
0.1% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si
<dd>Mem: 10180040k total, 2615332k used, 7564708k
free, 109000k buffers
<dd>Swap: 3068404k total,
0k used, 3068404k free, 912700k cached</font>
<dd><font size=3> </font>
<dd><font face="arial" size=2>But then again, when game servers run into
this cpu issue, I always make sure my boxes can handle the extra
mile.</font>
<dd><font size=3>
<dd>
<dd>
<dd>----- Original Message -----
<dd>From: <a href="mailto:defilm@acm.org">Mark J. DeFilippis</a>
<dd>To: <a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>
<dd>Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:20 AM
<dd>Subject: RE: [cod] Laggy CoD:UO Server any updates???<br>
<dd>Jay is tha man! It is going to be critical to have Jay around
<dd>for COD2. His R&D skills are impeccable. If he were
in NY,
<dd>as CTO of a technology firm, would hire him in an instant.
<dd>Say hello to him at clanwarz.net!
<dd>This is because the subject does not matter. I try to get
<dd>guys that can analyze themselves out of a box all the time,
<dd>hundreds of interviews and still always looking. And yea,
<dd>we pay well.
<dd>OK Jay. Spit it out. What did you change. I am not having
<dd>major issues like 80% CPU, but UO FOY with all things a
<dd>blazing and 20 users will bring one CPU to 80%.
<dd>I currently run COD max_rate at 15000
<dd>COD:UO max_rate at 25000
<dd>What is the latest tweaked Cvars that made him a happy
camper?
<dd>Dr. D
<dd>At 06:39 PM 6/16/2005, you
wrote:<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>
<dd>I would like to say a HUGE thank you to Jay Vasallo, the server is a
whole
<dd>lot better then it ever was. I can't thank you enough
Jay. This guy knows
<dd>his stuff :D
<dd>Sike
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From: Geoff Goas
[<a href="mailto:gitman@gmail.com" eudora="autourl">mailto:gitman@gmail.com</a>]
<dd>Sent: Friday, 17 June 2005 2:21 AM
<dd>To: cod@icculus.org
<dd>Subject: Re: [cod] Laggy CoD:UO Server any updates???
<dd>cassino has always been a laggy map
<dd>On 6/16/05, Jay Vasallo <jayco1@charter.net> wrote:
<dd>> Currently we are running a 14 slot server on a dual opteron 242
server,
<dd>and
<dd>> it still reaches 70-80% cpu usage.
<dd>>
<dd>> I would say something is wrong, definately wrong. You have msn?
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> ----- Original Message -----
<dd>> From: Craig Finck
<dd>> To: cod@icculus.org
<dd>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:56 AM
<dd>> Subject: RE: [cod] Laggy CoD:UO Server any updates???
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> We're running a dual opetron 242 server with 2gb ram (we do host
other
<dd>> servers on this box as well), we're using fedora core 2 as our
OS.
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Any other info on the box you need?
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Running a top command while the CoD:uo server is on the map
Cassino with
<dd>> 12-14 players shows CoD:UO with 70-80% CPU usage. I have
tried looking
<dd>> around to see what could be causing such high CPU usage, but I
can not
<dd>find
<dd>> anything.
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> I hope this is enough info.
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Thanks
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Sike
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> ________________________________
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> From: Jay Vasallo
[<a href="mailto:jayco1@charter.net" eudora="autourl">mailto:jayco1@charter.net</a>]
<dd>> Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2005 5:31 PM
<dd>> To: cod@icculus.org
<dd>> Subject: Re: [cod] Laggy CoD:UO Server any updates???
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Hmm, high cpu usage?
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Well explain high cpu usage? What type of box, specs and os are
you
<dd>running
<dd>> now?
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> ----- Original Message -----
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> From: Craig Finck
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> To: cod@icculus.org
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:22 AM
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Subject: RE: [cod] Laggy CoD:UO Server any updates???
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Sorry, I didn't explain myself properly. We do currently
run aCoD:UO
<dd>server
<dd>> on the box, just thought the 64bit code might help with the high
CPU
<dd>usage.
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Sike
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> ________________________________
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> From: Jay Vasallo
[<a href="mailto:jayco1@charter.net" eudora="autourl">mailto:jayco1@charter.net</a>]
<dd>> Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2005 5:19 PM
<dd>> To: cod@icculus.org
<dd>> Subject: Re: [cod] Laggy CoD:UO Server any updates???
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Errr...hault.
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> 32 bit games runs on 64 bit linux. So go for it. We have 28
machines
<dd>running
<dd>> 64 bit gentoo and fc3 and it is a beautiful thing.
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Enjoy!
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> =o)
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> ----- Original Message -----
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> From: Craig Finck
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> To: cod@icculus.org
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:24 AM
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Subject: [cod] Laggy CoD:UO Server any updates???
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Hey guys,
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Long time reader, first time poster. I have a question
that I hope
<dd>someone
<dd>> can answer. Does anyone know if they are going to release
a 64 bit CoD:UO
<dd>> Linux binary?
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Failing that an updated binary that doesn't use huge amounts of
CPU on
<dd>maps
<dd>> like Cassino would be nice.
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Currently we are running a 14 slot server on a dual opteron 242
server,
<dd>and
<dd>> it still reaches 70-80% cpu usage.
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Anyone know how to remedy this without having to wait for a new
patch?
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Thanks
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> Sike
<dd>>
<dd>> USFTechgaming.com
<dd>>
<dd>> Server Admin
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
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<dd>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
<dd>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
<dd>> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date:
15/06/2005
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> --
<dd>> No virus found in this incoming message.
<dd>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
<dd>> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date:
15/06/2005
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>>
<dd>> --
<dd>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
<dd>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
<dd>> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date:
15/06/2005
<dd>>
<dd>--
<dd>No virus found in this incoming message.
<dd>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
<dd>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date:
15/06/2005<br>
<dd>
<dd>--
<dd>No virus found in this outgoing message.
<dd>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
<dd>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.5/18 - Release Date:
15/06/2005
<dd> </font></blockquote>
<dd><tt>S1,-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<dd>Mark J. DeFilippis, Ph. D
EE defilm@acm.org
<dd>
defilm@ieee.org</blockquote>
</dl>S4,-------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
Mark J.
DeFilippis
defilm@acm.org<br>
defilm@ieee.org<br>
</blockquote>S4,-------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
Mark J.
DeFilippis
defilm@acm.org<br>
defilm@ieee.org<br><br>
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