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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I never said you were imagining the
crashes, I said that my servers do not crash. I also said that you may
want to look at your setup. It seems strange that there would be a major
bug that didn’t affect my two servers even though they run a typical config.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Mark J.
DeFilippis [mailto:defilm@acm.org] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 20, 2005
7:49 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">cod@icculus.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cod] Any info on a
new patch?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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Even if I had not read the instructions, I would not make such a mistake.<br>
I would have still done it the same way. Simply, you always patch the main<br>
code base before the "add-on". COD upgrades to 1.5 base before
a MOD add on<br>
United Offensive upgrades to 1.5.1. Makes sense..<br>
<br>
For siq, I really doubt that all of us are imagining these crashes, as
the error logs are real,<br>
as are the recent bugs referenced in the thread posted by "bits". I
have seen the<br>
errors they refer to, and this is part of the TDM problem, so I guess I was not
imagining it,<br>
<br>
See: <a href="http://www.iwnation.com/Forums/index.php?showtopic=12337"
eudora=autourl>http://www.iwnation.com/Forums/index.php?showtopic=12337</a><br>
<br>
Here is the Zip to fix em: <a
href="http://www.iwnation.com/Forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=108705"
eudora=autourl>http://www.iwnation.com/Forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=108705</a><br>
<br>
(Thanks Jay for those links. Using yours, I grabbed the ones above)<br>
<br>
This really bothers me. If you read the post, and look at the code
fragments, you really have to wonder about the QA process. They are not
"gotcha" type mistakes on boundary checking, they are lazy<br>
copy and paste type mistakes. It is sloppy, slop. Simple as that.<br>
<br>
As to why many have trouble and you are not? Who knows. But for
certain, enough of us are having the problem, that it is real. THe fact that I
see the problem on FreeBSD, RH9 and my hosted servers (RH ES 3.0, updated with
the latest version via up2date RHN subscription, tells me it is not likely
specific to the Linux distribution, or Ryan's code interpreter (which is really
what his Linux program is...<br>
<br>
I would just like to see this fixed before UO gets more serious
competition. There is a lot of similar<br>
FPS's coming out in 2005 that are claiming to "top" COD. I
don't think anyone expected EA to do<br>
it with MOH PA (how unfortunate), but some titles look like they have the
potential.<br>
<br>
First on the horizon is 2/25/05.<br>
<br>
Mark D<br>
<br>
<br>
At 08:19 PM 1/20/2005, you wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><font size=5 face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'> </span></font></i></b><b><font size=5
face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
font-weight:bold'>POSSIBLY THOSE THAT DO NOT UPDATE ORIGINAL C.O.D. TO 1.5
BEFORE PATCHING C.O.D.U.O TO 1.51...</span></font></b><br>
<br>
<b><i><font size=4 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>i was guilty of
this and experienced lag issues and several random freezes _ as well as unable
to download from servers on a random basis -- depending on where the .pks
originated from --ie: main or uo --</span></font></i></b><br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><i><font size=5
face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'> </span></font></i></b><i><font
face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-style:italic'>ok
ill go back under my desk now....<a
href="http://home.comcast.net/~koviatt/crashsgarage.html">crash(mtl) </a>out !!
</span></font></i><br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <br>
Psalms 118:8 <br>
"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>From: <a href="mailto:gitman@gmail.com">Geoff Goas</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>To: <a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:36 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Subject: Re: [cod] Any info on a new patch?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>i get random crashes but not very often... i suspect
its just people<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>exploiting the exploit.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:24:22 -0800, Siq <<a
href="mailto:siq@sbcglobal.net">siq@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> I keep hearing of people complaining about random
crashes but I have yet to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> have either of our two servers crash since 1.51
came out. We run a BAS/DOM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> server and a DM/TDM/HQ server and they both are
rock solid. Lag is another<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> issue altogether. We even run AWE mod on
the DM/TDM/HQ server and still no<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> crashes. There either has to be a config
file problem or you have a bad pk3<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> somewhere.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Siq<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> ________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> From: Mark J. DeFilippis [<a
href="mailto:defilm@acm.org" eudora=autourl>mailto:defilm@acm.org</a>] <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:33 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> To: <a href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Subject: Re: [cod] Any info on a new patch?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Was Steve's thread just "Hijacked"? or
am I missing part of the list?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Was there ever a simple confirmation? Even
with the latest PB patches,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> we still see crashes as well. It always
appears to be during a TWl or OGL<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> match!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Murphy's law. I can run foy 24x7 full all
day long on CTF, and have a<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> dedicated server for it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> But TDM is "Death", and appears to
crash more than any other game type for<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> some reason,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> and particularly in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Arnhem</st1:place></st1:City>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> I was hoping the latest pb update would do it,
but there are clearly more<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> issues here<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> as logs have shown.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> I didn't think an "ack" was much to ask
for on a patch. If the "official<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> release" Ryan speaks of is the
"current" windows patched 1.51b version, I<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> will be very disappointed. I doubt I will be
alone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> "Yea! Lets have a party for the official
release of the latest broken<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> version". "Feels like Windows...
should be Linux".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> D<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> At 10:20 AM 1/17/2005, you wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> I agree, just a simple confirmation as to what is
being done, what issue(s)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> are being address would be nice to see!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Luke Antins<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> --<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> [Firestorm Games]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <a href="http://www.firestorm-games.net/">http://www.firestorm-games.net/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Ian mu wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Yup still seeing crashes even since the latest pb
release as well<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> which we thought were responsible for some.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Just a confirmation its being looked at would be
a start as haven't<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> heard a lot so far, or if more information or
logs need posting etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> or help needed with tracking it down.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>>
S1-------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Mark J. DeFilippis, Ph. D
EE <a
href="mailto:defilm@acm.org">defilm@acm.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>>
<a href="mailto:defilm@ieee.org">defilm@ieee.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><tt><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>S1-------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></font></tt><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Mark J. DeFilippis, Ph. D
EE defilm@acm.org</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">
defilm@ieee.org</font></tt><br>
<br>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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