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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the additional insight. I agree
with you 100%, Linux versions of the server shouldn't be the Afterthought that
they now seem to be. I just didn't see yelling at IW or Activision about
this as being productive. Perhaps I was wrong. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=me83143@earthlink.net
href="mailto:me83143@earthlink.net">Maverick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=cod@icculus.org
href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined
my clan</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>That statement is only partially true. Activision is
involved and so is IW. Yes icculus, and Ryan specifically wrote the
Linux server, but I believe it goes through Activision/IW QA. If that
weren't the case I know Ryan would have probably fixed the Linux problem the
day it was found. I personally am pretty tired of Linux being second
class in a lot of cases. I played MOHAA, and SH and EA could care less
about a Linux server. It was the fine folks at icculus that hooked us
up. That being said, Battlefield 1942 and Vietnam are EA games also, but
they have decent servers and PB support. UT has always had great Linux
support including their web interface. I work with ClansElite and we
host games, mainly on Linux. I would not continue with the business if I
was forced to host only on Windows. We run games on Windows that we have
to (RvS, Breakthrough, Halo, etc), but anything that runs on Linux is on
Linux. Windows sucks for reliability. I had a BT server that
stopped responding to rcon commands. The solution? The Windoze
cureall, reboot. That just sucks.<BR> Companies need to start
realizing that a lot of people buy games for the online play. A lot of
that happens on Linux. Making Linux inferior doesn't help anyone.
I won't be buying Ubi's upcoming Far Cry. I've played the demos, game
looks great, BUT if there's no Linux server you can count me out. They
won't do it for RavenShield, so I doubt it's happening for Far Cry
either.<BR> Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now. <SPAN
class=moz-smiley-s1><SPAN>:-) </SPAN></SPAN>Yeah, this touched a
nerve... I like CoD, and I think IW has done a great job, it's just they
need to get serious about Linux.<BR><BR> Maverick<BR>
clanselite.com<BR><BR>Curtis Brown wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid000801c4140c$dba12270$c5b45741@fire type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Well, I think a lot of people have overlooked one thing. The Linux server
is not supported by Activision. They couldn't care less if it works.
It's up to the fine folks at icculus.org to fix the Linux server. Thats
what this mailing list is all about, issues with the Linux server. I don't
think IW has
anything to do with the Linux server either.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Orr, Roland Cadet" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:Orr@cadetmail.uscga.edu"><Orr@cadetmail.uscga.edu></A>
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:cod@icculus.org"><cod@icculus.org></A>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 3:03 AM
Subject: RE: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Hello all.
Indeed, this is quite a bug, and could kill linux servers if not fixed.
Common sense would suggest that it will be fixed soon. I know there are
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->IW
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">people that subscribe to this list, and one has already acknowledged the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->bug
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">[thanks Bryan! =]. However, it would be great if someone from IW could
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->take
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">it one step further and tell us the answer to the question that is on the
minds of all the penguin server admins - when is an official fix going to
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->be
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">released? Being somewhat versed in the intricacies of organizations, and
FULLY versed in the lack of communication that often plagues a large-scale
effort - such as a company producing a game patch - I realize that there
probably is not an answer to that question yet.
If that is the case, can we at least hear that it's going to be fixed
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->before
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">the next patch? Personally, I tire of 90% of my inbox consisting of cod
mailing list emails every day when I return from classes, and I think a
semi-formal response from IW would partially squelch the defeatists that
fill our inboxes up with despairing emails. Jim brings up a good point -
some people will never be happy. But I know I am not alone when I assert
that at least some of us would be happy with an update on the problem.
Thanks IW for making what I think is the best multiplayer FPS ever (y'all
don't get enough credit! and yes, I'm from the South =P).
~Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: James Kreuziger [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:jkreuzig@cyberonic.com">mailto:jkreuzig@cyberonic.com</A>]
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 2:38 AM
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</A>
Subject: RE: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan
The effect that I've seen with the MP44 is bad. However, there is a not
so subtle
effect with the SMG's. It's no where near as bad as the MP44. It is
slight in comparison,
but it is noticable.
I sure it will be fixed also. However, I'm like a lot of people and
wonder why I haven't
seen ANY indication as to when. It seems like quite a bug to let wait
until the next patch.
-Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: CODBoards Admin [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:admin@codboards.com">mailto:admin@codboards.com</A>]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:13 PM
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</A>
Subject: RE: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan
The only weapon that's causing the wrong place firing effect is the
german MP44. I've tried many different servers, did burst, iron view,
all kinds of types of firing modes but the only weapon was MP44 that I
found acting up. Big deal! It'll be fixed I'm sure.
genesis
CODBoards Admin
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.codboards.com/">http://www.codboards.com/</A>
A part of Central Gamers Network
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.centralgamers.net/">http://www.centralgamers.net/</A>
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-----Original Message-----
From: James Kreuziger [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:jkreuzig@cyberonic.com">mailto:jkreuzig@cyberonic.com</A>]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:59 PM
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</A>
Subject: RE: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan
Ok, so you know about the bug. Is there any indication that it will be
fixed anytime soon?
I've not had the problem of people deserting our server. I actually had
fewer people on the
server when we converted to 1.2 because of the time it took to show up
in people's ingame browsers.
We now have a steady stream of regulars that show up regardless.
I am noticing something interesting here. From what I can tell, IW
takes great pride in producing
this game. Most of the developers are the original guys that did MOHAA.
I remember the crap that
EA games went through with their non-support of MOHAA. Now IW and
Activision seem to be taking the
same amount of guff, but it's because of the changes that are being
made. Some people will never
be happy.
-Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Kuhn [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:bryan@infinityward.com">mailto:bryan@infinityward.com</A>]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:25 PM
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</A>
Subject: Re: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan
Not much to say. We know about the bug.
Friday, March 26, 2004, 12:13:03 PM, you wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Our server is empty for the first time since it came up (same day as
1.2 came out). This can only be due to the recognition of the linux
recoil problem. Though I don't want to slag off all the hard work
that's has gone into this patch, one has to question the validity of
the beta testing process that was used. Surely this kind of error must
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">be picked up before release. It's really disappointing to see a great
patch being undermined by what amounts to poor quality assurance. It's
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">also disappointing to see no word on it from IW on it on here.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">-----Original Message-----
From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:admin@codboards.com">admin@codboards.com</A> [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:admin@codboards.com">mailto:admin@codboards.com</A>]
Sent: 26 March 2004 19:43
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</A>
Subject: Re: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""> </PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">That explains a lot. Thanks Bryan!
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">people also keep playing the old versions so it splits people up
more. Right now there are 2600 people playing 1.1 or 1.2 and 7400
playing 1.3.
Friday, March 26, 2004, 10:23:20 AM, you wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I realize that. I love the patch and I have no problems with it
other than my server is empty, which was kind of empty before as
well but I was expecting a rush of people who wanted to test 1.3. I
did get thousands of
hits on my site and people downloaded the patches and files worth of
20GB
in just the first day. I'm glad IW worked on this patch and I'm
certainly
satisfied with the outcome. But I've read hundreds of posts on my
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">site
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">people complaining about one thing or another. Ironically it doesn't
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">work that way and people don't realize that.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I won't waste more time, we've got big discussions going on my
forums anyways. But I'm a happy camper.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">genesis
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.codboards.com/">http://www.codboards.com/</A>
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""> </PRE>
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Some people really know how to motivate people to do what you want
them to! Every time they release a patch there is a flurry of "you
guys suck" emails on this list that contribute absolutely nothing
to a solution and
waste everyone's time. But thanks for sharing your feelings.
The patch has had no impact on my server's utilization versus 1.2,
it's still full most of the time. Lag appears about the same.
That's not to say it hasn't had that impact on other servers, but
it's really very difficult
to predict exactly how something is going to behave on the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">tremendous
</PRE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">array of systems and server software that are out there running the
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">game.
Obviously, if it were really that easy to fix the in-game browser
problem it would have been done already.
-d
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">And the in-game browser still doesn't work. You'd think they
would hire a DBA to handle this. Or at least an entry level
coder. It can't be that hard to make it work right. The quality
of this game is taking a plunge. If there was something else
comparable, I'd switch and drop this game.
John Kennington
-----Original Message-----
From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:admin@codboards.com">admin@codboards.com</A> [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:admin@codboards.com">mailto:admin@codboards.com</A>]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:29 PM
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:cod@icculus.org">cod@icculus.org</A>
Subject: Re: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan
You can read about it here
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.codboards.com/index.php?showtopic=2912&view=findpost&p=">http://www.codboards.com/index.php?showtopic=2912&view=findpost&p=</A>
28763
it's mostly about shooting in wrong places but a lot of other
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">people
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">were
upset, not sure for what other reasons, some installation issues
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">and
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">others.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Can someone tell me what Problem (on 1.3) we are talking about? I
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">just installed 3 Linux Servers and am pretty interested what kind
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">of Bug is
in the 1.3 Patch.
Thx.
acc> I have to agree on the emptiness of my servers with you. I'm
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">running
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">5
acc> servers on 1.3 and I patched them the same day (few hours)
acc> of
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">patch
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">acc> release. I was assuming it'd get totally full but not a
acc> single
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">person
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">acc> joined in to date. The server is listed as well.
acc> The rest of the thing, specially the wrong shooting bug
acc> everyone
keeps
acc> talking about all over my website, like this one here
acc>
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.codboards.com/index.php?showtopic=2912&view=findpost&p=">http://www.codboards.com/index.php?showtopic=2912&view=findpost&p=</A>
28763
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">acc> but I never experienced this even trying to get it wrong I
can't.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">So
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">if
acc> it's working for me, it's gotta be not the patch. Correct?
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Seriously, We went from having two full COD 1.2 servers 24/7 to
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">two empty, laggy, weapons shooting to the side, crappy servers.
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Thanks IW!
How do we as Linux admins recover from this patch? I have
installed a weapons mod to (I think) correct the weapons
issues, but I think most users see the 'LD' next to my servers
and avoid like the plague. Maybe Im wrong.
Also, the servers are periodically more laggy than before.....
and no, Im not paranoid. I have admined over 20 different Linux
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">games, dozens of mods, etc. I am telling you this patch is
laggy. I cant find any obvious reason for it, but its there.
What are we to do now?
Luke
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">
--
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Walrus
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:walrus@iam3.de">mailto:walrus@iam3.de</A>
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