[cod] Off-Topic: The Future of GSPs

Mavrick mavrick.master at gmail.com
Tue Feb 2 07:49:52 EST 2010 

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

     Current Players      Peak Today             Game
 
      52,770     115,175     Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
      41,064     92,109           Counter-Strike: Source
      37,281     76,473           Counter-Strike
      11,740     19,492           Team Fortress 2
      9,862     24,346           Football Manager 2010
      8,704     15,340           Left 4 Dead 2
      6,501     11,991           Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
      5,272     10,630           Empire: Total War
      4,346     10,229           Mass Effect 2
      4,317     9,145           Condition Zero

James Landi wrote:
> 1st as for ISPs letting you use their network to host your server is 
> never going to fly unless you buy their very $$ business account and 
> even then you're not guaranteed a good low latency connection. 
> Remember these systems are a closed system with a couple of 
> connections to the outside world with very very bad routing 
> habits/tables LOL.
>
> The problem lies with the developer and publisher.
>
> Like mentioned above, publishers want you to keep buying their 
> product, IE every year for a CoD game.  But most important they don't 
> want to compete with the community of mappers and modders who lately 
> seem to do better work and under cut their own maps and mods, as well 
> as being free.
>
> With this new MW2 model [sic], Activision can lock down their game and 
> be the only one providing the extra content... oh at a price of 
> course.  This is the model that has made them  a lot of money via 
> consoles.
>
> It will be interesting to see how MW2's DLC for the PC works and if 
> that will break the camels back in what is still a success both in 
> sales and I hate to say it online players. Check out 
> www.steampowered.com/stats .
>
> I for one will not help support a company who wishes to milk a 
> franchise dry.  I don't post MW2 news on my site, I don't post press 
> released from Activision nor do I comment on their game anymore. (OK 
> thread is different). I simply will not help them market their ported 
> console game to my community.  I'm sure they can get a well 
> established and machore xbox community to take our place helping 
> support their games.
>
> In the long run, I hate to say it but GSPs will have to diversify, 
> they need to work on their relations with the big publishes to run 
> their backend servers for ....dear I say.... their console support 
> servers.
>
> We really need to watch Treyarch and their next CoD game as well as 
> EA/Dice with the next MOH title, in regards to the server side of 
> these games.  I think this will be the breaking point for GSPs. and PC 
> gaming communities who spring up around these games.
>
> This time don't count on the these guys releasing a backend we all can 
> support until we have code in hand.
>
> Jim Landi
> Rudedog
> FPSadmin.com
> Microsoft MVP, Games for Windows 2009. 2010
>
>
>
>
> On 2/2/10 6:38 AM, Midnight wrote:
>> Yep.  The game publishers don't care about providing a good online 
>> experience, because they don't want people to play the same game for 
>> a year or more.  They want them to get bored with it as soon as 
>> possible.
>>
>> Sadly the general population doesn't seem to care about spending $60 
>> a week on new games, even though they really can't afford it.  They 
>> won't realize this till their 40 and haven't a dime in their 
>> savings.  Talk about expensive, buying all these console games only 
>> to play them for a week, that's expensive.  Server hosting is nothing 
>> by comparison when each guy is chipping in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oliver Warburton wrote:
>>> I'm afraid it's all down to the average intelligence and 
>>> concentration span of the console user.
>>>
>>> I recently talked to a friend who has just 'found' online gaming. 
>>> 'Have you got Xbox live?' he asked.
>>>
>>> When I quizzed him about his gaming habits, he'd given up on the 
>>> COD6 campaign mode- ' got bored'. And couldn't be doing with the 
>>> multiplayer mode- 'too hard'. He's now moved onto another game, and 
>>> will no doubt have bought another one by the weekend. I did try and 
>>> explain to him how I've been playing games 'online' for something 
>>> like 8 years now- recounting a tale of how I used to play CS 1.5 for 
>>> 8 hours a day obsessively, lol :) He just didn't get it.
>>>
>>> What's important here, is we remember that this is who the game 
>>> makers are now catering for. We're a minority when it comes to 
>>> gaming now. A real minority.
>>>
>>> Oliver Warburton
>>> Managing Director
>>> INX-Network LTD
>>>
>>> INX-Gaming.com
>>> www.inx-gaming.com
>>>
>>> Become a fan of INX on Facebook!
>>>
>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/INX-Gaming/11051264033
>>>
>>> On 2 Feb 2010, at 11:17, Midnight wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ya I think CS Pro Mod is a huge step in the right direction, and 
>>>> hopefully other projects will follow in their footsteps.  Sadly so 
>>>> many noobs buy games for 10 hours of single player that it kinda 
>>>> dilutes the power of a boycott.  And so many xbox players buy FPS 
>>>> games now that it is hurting the PC side.  Everything is getting 
>>>> watered down to the least common denominator which is basically a 
>>>> $150 console and p2p hosting.  Sad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mavrick wrote:
>>>>> Here in Australia they're introducing Fibre to Home under the new 
>>>>> National Broadband Network, apparently it's going to cost over 
>>>>> 14billion (of tax payers, you & me) dollars.
>>>>>
>>>>> However I don't see the end of GSP's, open-source will introduce a 
>>>>> new breed of games that players, hardcore gamers and clans will be 
>>>>> willing to pay the price to host on high quality servers, with 
>>>>> high quality non-congested networks.
>>>>>
>>>>> escapedturkey wrote:
>>>>>> I'm starting to wonder if the future of hardcore PC gaming 
>>>>>> community (with a desire to run servers under their own complete 
>>>>>> control) will be on open-source / independent projects; for 
>>>>>> example, Warsow, Alien Arena, Nexuiz, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RedDragon wrote:
>>>>>>> I think, it isn't the bandwidth.
>>>>>>> The publisher heading is from dedicated servers to peer2peer. In 
>>>>>>> some cases like EA/Dice the server are too expensive for most 
>>>>>>> clans and communitys to rent them for a cupple of months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -RedDragon (clanleader)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 02.02.2010 11:27, schrieb escapedturkey:
>>>>>>>> Do you believe GSPs will become obsolete as home bandwidth gets 
>>>>>>>> larger and hardware evolves faster and smaller?
>>>>>>>>
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