[cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC

escapedturkey escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
Wed Oct 21 03:59:29 EDT 2009


Yes, true.

For starters, if anyone has an IRC client:

irc.quakenet.org
#codproject

:)

Mavrick wrote:
> Aight, let's put the fluffy Dice away and get a forum cranking rather 
> than taking over the mailing list? :P
> 
> Daniel 'mavrick' Lang
> www.mavrick.id.au
> 
> Einar S. Idsø wrote:
>> Exactly. The way I see it, DICE/EA are no better. It started with BF2
>> and ranked servers which were only available
>> to companies that were able to obtain a contract with EA, which wasn't
>> all that hard to do. The number of ranked
>> providers was significantly decreased for BF2142, and many companies
>> that had contracts for BF2 did not obtain
>> them for BF2142. BF Heroes has only a handful of providers, and there
>> are no unranked options for communities.
>>
>> And yet DICE *have the balls* to mock IW for dropping dedicated
>> servers! It's friggin' distasteful, that's what is is!
>>
>> They are all killing the communities out there as long as they don't
>> allow communities to run their own servers.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Einar
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Steffen Tronstad 
>> <sttr at nextgentel.com> wrote:
>>  
>>> DICE are moving in the same direction:
>>>
>>> Battlefield 1943 - no community servers (matchmaking).
>>> Battlefield Heroes - only 5 worldwide GSPs (matchmaking).
>>> All future releases - only windows dedicated servers (if any).
>>>
>>> Esport as we know it, is dying :|
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>> Fra: Mavrick [mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com]
>>> Sendt: 21. oktober 2009 09:28
>>> Til: Call of Duty server admin list.
>>> Emne: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
>>>
>>> Let's try and get DICE on a webcast with Joker and RudeDog? See if they
>>> would be willing to back a community built FPS, for FPS Players by FPS
>>> players?
>>>
>>> The latest post by 402 doesn't tell us anything more than what we
>>> already know imo. "Questions, assumptions, and speculation I intend to
>>> dispel." He really knows how to put his foot in his mouth.
>>>
>>> I would be willing to throw the $100 i didn't spend on COD6 to a
>>> community built FPS for sure!
>>>
>>> Andre Lorbach wrote:
>>>    
>>>> I didn't like the expensive ranked system either, but aAt least BF2 
>>>> had an
>>>> the option to run your own "unranked" dedicated servers.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> regards,
>>>> Andre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: escapedturkey [mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com]
>>>>> Sent: Dienstag, 20. Oktober 2009 21:41
>>>>> To: Call of Duty server admin list.
>>>>> Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the PC
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a fan of the ranked server system that BF2 had. It was very 
>>>>> hurtful
>>>>> to the mod scene. Ranked servers costed more and were restricted to 
>>>>> FTP
>>>>> access. Hopefully DICE doesn't do the whole ranked server system 
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> RaBBiT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>> I've always wanted to move to Valve, but only the real COD community
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> can
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>> make a real source mod that feels like a cod game.
>>>>>> Btw a PC game like cod or coduo...
>>>>>> Time will tell, i'll be glad to map on that project.
>>>>>> Otherwise DICE might make the GOTY on PC with BFBC2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: What about Treyarch? will they screw things up next year?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rabbit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>     *From:* Seth Sauls <mailto:wizz220 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>     *To:* Call of Duty server admin list. <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:27 PM
>>>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern Warfare 2 on the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> PC
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>     I say that a group of community modders and mappers gets together
>>>>>>     and starts a "source" mod.  Call it MW2:Source or something like
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>     Make it badass and build it off the source engine.  Make the maps
>>>>>>     exactly like in MW2, models and all.  Then for a map pack make
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>     stock cod4 maps/models and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     What do you all say....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Wizz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman <iam8up at gmail.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:iam8up at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Did anyone think that maybe they're trying to take away Halo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> 3
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         players?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 10/20/09, Lars Vik <lars at 3056.net <mailto:lars at 3056.net>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          > Hi,
>>>>>>          >
>>>>>>          > I have both xbox 360 and PS3, but use the consoles mainly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         ...well...
>>>>>>          > console games. Like racing games, Rockband etc. But is it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> really
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          > possible to play FPS on console? I have tried misc FPS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> demos
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         and so on,
>>>>>>          > but I find it hopeless. Clearly, if the majority of CoD
>>>>>>         players are on
>>>>>>          > console, i must have missed something? I.e. can you get
>>>>>>         keyboard/mouse
>>>>>>          > to xbox 360? They aren't seriously using the hand
>>>>>>         controller/joystick?
>>>>>>          >
>>>>>>          > I am also a bit surprised IW are selling more of a FPS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> game
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         to console
>>>>>>          > than to PC. I can't help but thing that I am getting old
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         something
>>>>>>          > like that. That I am out of the loop so to speak.
>>>>>>          >
>>>>>>          > Hmmm....
>>>>>>          >
>>>>>>          > John Kennington wrote:
>>>>>>          >> There was a group of modders that tried that and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> succeeded,
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         somewhat.
>>>>>>          >> Red Oktober is a mod and is a decent game, however it is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> far to
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >> realistic for the casual player.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >> John
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:49 PM, escapedturkey
>>>>>>          >> <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>>>          >> <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>     Tough to say. I think the mod community, if combining
>>>>>>         forces, can
>>>>>>          >>     make any game engine or mod run better, faster, and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> more
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         fun.
>>>>>>          >>     Faith in the community. For open-source, my vote goes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> to:
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>     http://xreal-project.net <http://xreal-project.net/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         based on IOQuake3.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>     However, even IOQuake3 will do:
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>     http://ioquake3.org <http://ioquake3.org/>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>     Enuff of my rambling ...
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>     Martin H wrote:
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>         Problem with the source engine is its not so good
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> at
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         making a
>>>>>>          >>         game like CoD, of all the mods i've played to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> date
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         the only
>>>>>>          >>         one that had potential imo was Insurgency. Which
>>>>>>         although fun,
>>>>>>          >>         didnt come close to the gameplay of CoD
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>         I just dont think the source engine is cut out
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> for a
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         game like
>>>>>>          >>         cod. come to think of it though, i cant think of
>>>>>>         anything that
>>>>>>          >>         is...
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>         One of the gripes i have with the system they
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> intend
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         on using
>>>>>>          >>         is, if the matchmaking system always puts you
>>>>>>         against people
>>>>>>          >>         at your skill level, how is a player meant to
>>>>>>         progress? i've
>>>>>>          >>         always found the best way to improve is to be
>>>>>>         subjected to
>>>>>>          >>         repeated raping. If IWNet dumps you with players
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> on your
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>         level, you just wont improve.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>         It says its done on "skill level". How is a skill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> level
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>         determined? Average KD ratio? if thats the case,
>>>>>>         players will
>>>>>>          >>         be flying up and down the skill rankings every
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> time
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         they have
>>>>>>          >>         a bad/good day. If a player is doing particularly
>>>>>>         well on a
>>>>>>          >>         certain day, their KD ratio would increase. But
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         next day,
>>>>>>          >>         if they're back to 'normal' levels, they'll be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> way
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         out of
>>>>>>          >>         their depth. Or vice versa. quite easy to have a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> bad
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         day, and
>>>>>>          >>         then find yourself on a server with people way
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> below
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         your
>>>>>>          >>         actual skill rating.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>         "The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the
>>>>>>         fact that
>>>>>>          >>         you don't have to worry about joining a server
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> full of
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>         aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         server
>>>>>>          >>         admin of the server to constantly be monitoring,
>>>>>>         banning, and
>>>>>>          >>         policing it."
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>         Yeah, thats great until theres an admin that isnt
>>>>>>         100% clued
>>>>>>          >>         up on banning people, and theres a guy on the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> server
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         who's
>>>>>>          >>         name is changing every two seconds. Its going to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> be no
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>         different than a CoD4 server in reality.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>         Surely the better way to get rid of cheating
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> would
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         be to seal
>>>>>>          >>         up all the holes that allow these hacks to be
>>>>>>         created in the
>>>>>>          >>         first place?
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>         2009/10/20 Joker{eXtreme+}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <joker at mycallofduty.com
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:joker at mycallofduty.com>>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            Another post by Bowling
>>>>>>          >>            http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            ~Joker
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            ----- Original Message ----- From:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> "escapedturkey"
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>            <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>
>>>>>>          >>            <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            To: "Call of Duty server admin list."
>>>>>>         <cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>>>          >>            <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:06 AM
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent, Modern
>>>>>>         Warfare 2 on
>>>>>>          >>         the PC
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            Best thing to do is start with the mod makers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         that first
>>>>>>          >>         interview.
>>>>>>          >>            Have them get together with a single purpose
>>>>>>         "make or mod an
>>>>>>          >>            alternative".
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            Valve offers great support:
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Building_Mods_with_Valve_Techno 
>>>>>
>>>>> logy
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            :)
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            Bong-Master wrote:
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                broken record Lmfto no just a long record
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> lol
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         any how,
>>>>>>          >>         how &
>>>>>>          >>                were do you
>>>>>>          >>                start ?
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>          >>                From: "escapedturkey"
>>>>>>         <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>
>>>>>>          >>                <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 6:55 PM
>>>>>>          >>                To: "Call of Duty server admin list."
>>>>>>         <cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>>>          >>                <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org> <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry have to vent,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> Modern
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         Warfare 2
>>>>>>          >>         on the PC
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                    Exactly. I don't see why this can't be
>>>>>>         done via the
>>>>>>          >>         Source
>>>>>>          >>                    engine or
>>>>>>          >>                    other means. All the weapons, game
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> play,
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         and such
>>>>>>          >>         can be
>>>>>>          >>                    replicated.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                    Valve shows a lot of support, has VAC,
>>>>>>         dedicated Linux
>>>>>>          >>                    binares, etc.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                    Anyhow, I am sounding like a broken
>>>>>>         record. :)
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                    Hannu Kumpeli wrote:
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                        Lets put the money together from
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         100,000+
>>>>>>          >>         signatures
>>>>>>          >>                        and let some
>>>>>>          >>                        company make us the game we want
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         DEDI
>>>>>>          >>         SUPPORT :D
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                            Let's go open-source or Source
>>>>>>         engine! :)
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                            As I listened to the interview
>>>>>>         most of the
>>>>>>          >>         people
>>>>>>          >>                            talking were
>>>>>>          >>                            modders. Can't they all come
>>>>>>         together and do a
>>>>>>          >>                            Source mod or open
>>>>>>          >>                            source project?
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                            I'm sure a Source engine mod
>>>>>>         would work
>>>>>>          >>         quite well.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                            Source and open-source aren't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         same, for
>>>>>>          >>         anyone
>>>>>>          >>                            confused. :)
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                            Joker{eXtreme+} wrote:
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                Confirmation that they are
>>>>>>         still NOT
>>>>>>          >>         going to
>>>>>>          >>                                put in Dedi Server
>>>>>>          >>                                support.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                I'm done.  Thank you all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         have a
>>>>>>          >>         good life.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                ~Joker
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                ----- Original Message ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         From:
>>>>>>          >>         "Einar S. Idsø"
>>>>>>          >>                                <einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
>>>>>>         <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
>>>>>>         <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
>>>>>>         <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no
>>>>>>         <mailto:einar.cod at norsk-esport.no>>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                To: "Call of Duty server
>>>>>>         admin list."
>>>>>>          >>                                <cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                Sent: Tuesday, October 20,
>>>>>>         2009 10:32 AM
>>>>>>          >>                                Subject: Re: [cod] Sorry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         to vent,
>>>>>>          >>         Modern
>>>>>>          >>                                Warfare 2 on the PC
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                Just out: Official
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> Infinity Ward
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>         response to
>>>>>>          >>                                #MW2 PC players
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>         http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                Cheers,
>>>>>>          >>                                Einar
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> 3:12 PM,
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>         escapedturkey
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          <escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:escapedturkey at escapedturkey.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                    Wouldn't it best to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> offer
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         both?
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                    IW.net and dedicated
>>>>>>         servers as an
>>>>>>          >>         option?
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                    That way they can see
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> by
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         the statistics
>>>>>>          >>                                    which is the preferred
>>>>>>          >>                                    mode of game
>>>>>>          >>                                    play.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                    Schlup wrote:
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                        Yes fake, was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> there
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         really any
>>>>>>          >>         doubt?
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                        -----Original
>>>>>>         Message-----
>>>>>>          >>                                        From: Mavrick
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          [mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>>] Sent:
>>>>>>          >>                                        Tuesday,
>>>>>>          >>                                        October 20,
>>>>>>          >>                                        2009 7:42 AM
>>>>>>          >>                                        To: Call of Duty
>>>>>>         server admin list.
>>>>>>          >>                                        Subject: Re: [cod]
>>>>>>         Sorry have
>>>>>>          >>         to vent,
>>>>>>          >>                                        Modern Warfare 2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         the PC
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>         http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>         <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>         <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>         <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         <http://www.a2kclan.com/blog.htm?a=&nid=407927B7-640B-49AE-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> AD32-B162A0A3049E>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                        fake?
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                        Richard GrosJean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                            120k
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> signatures
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         to go until it
>>>>>>          >>                                            reaches the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> famed
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         Starcraft
>>>>>>          >>         2 LAN
>>>>>>          >>                                            petition
>>>>>>          >>                                            status.
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                            On Tue, Oct
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> 20,
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         2009 at
>>>>>>          >>         8:21 AM,
>>>>>>          >>                                            Mavrick Master
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          <mavrick.master at gmail.com <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com
>>>>>>         <mailto:mavrick.master at gmail.com>>>>>
>>>>>>          >>                                            wrote:
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                            84884 Total
>>>>>>         Signatures and
>>>>>>          >>         counting...
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                            **grabs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> another
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         popcorn**
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>         -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> -----------
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          _______________________________________________
>>>>>>          >>                                            cod mailing
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> cod at icculus.org
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>>>>>        
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
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>>>>>>          >>          _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
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>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          _______________________________________________
>>>>>>          >>                                cod mailing list
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>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>         -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                No virus found in this
>>>>>>         incoming message.
>>>>>>          >>                                Checked by AVG -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> www.avg.com
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         <http://www.avg.com/>
>>>>>>          >>         <http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/>>
>>>>>>         <http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                                Version: 8.5.422 / Virus
>>>>>>         Database:
>>>>>>          >>                                270.14.23/2448 - Release
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> Date:
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>                                10/20/09 10:43:00
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>          _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          _______________________________________________
>>>>>>          >>                            cod mailing list
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>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
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>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>
>>>>>        
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>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          _______________________________________________
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>>>>> <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>                cod mailing list
>>>>>>          >>                cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>                http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>            cod mailing list
>>>>>>          >>            cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>         -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>>>>          >>            Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>>>>         <http://www.avg.com/> <http://www.avg.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> <http://www.avg.com/>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>         <http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> 270.14.23/2448
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         - Release
>>>>>>          >>         Date:
>>>>>>          >>            10/20/09 10:43:00
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>          >>            cod mailing list
>>>>>>          >>            cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>>>          >>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>            http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>         -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> -----------
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>         _______________________________________________
>>>>>>          >>         cod mailing list
>>>>>>          >>         cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>>>          >>         http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>     _______________________________________________
>>>>>>          >>     cod mailing list
>>>>>>          >>     cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>         <mailto:cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>>
>>>>>>          >>     http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >> --
>>>>>>          >> No matter how fast light travels it finds the darkness
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> has
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>         always got
>>>>>>          >> there first, and is waiting for it. -- (Terry Pratchett,
>>>>>>         Reaper Man)
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>         -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> -----------
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          >> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>          >> cod mailing list
>>>>>>          >> cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          >> http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >>
>>>>>>          > _______________________________________________
>>>>>>          > cod mailing list
>>>>>>          > cod at icculus.org <mailto:cod at icculus.org>
>>>>>>          > http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
>>>>>>          >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         --
>>>>>>         Josh Luthman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         A patch in time saves kill -9
>>>>>>         -http://www.tuxmaniac.com <http://www.tuxmaniac.com/>
>>>>>>         _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>         http://icculus.org/mailman/listinfo/cod
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