[cod] DMW Anti-Cheat

Thu Nov 17 05:41:02 EST 2005

I agree, I have to say! Sure theres problems with PB but on the whole
the people who find the most problems are the cheats. Or the person who
was downloading the national library while playing. Heres the thing,
personally I would like to play and serve this great game and have some
kind of AC; PB has proven to be the most reliable, why start again? ok
ok give the small guy a chance, but im serious here they need to go with
one or the other, or people will loose interest.

The only reason why I write this is like many admins out there im
continually tempted to kick people at the mo... and I sometimes its
50/50... you know what I mean ... a uncannily good player is not always
a cheat. Im a member of the Anti cheat guild, and I have spent years
perfecting the art of spotting a cheater and I struggle sometimes. I
would like to play and server with confidence and let my AC do the
kicking.. so that when I get a good player in I can say... NS rather
than OMG U Cheating XXXXX, all whilst trying to take a screeny only for
it to be a waste of time.... not having anything at all is making the
admins jumpy and the all the regular players, the good players pissxd
that they keep getting accused of cheating when there not

The truth is we can all talk about this till were blue in the face, but
there's only 1 admin that makes the difference, and that's the admin at
ACTIV/IFW. much as we hate it, were in their hands. The rest is just
supposition!

Personally speaking me and my clan will only play friendlies with
reliable clans until this whole AC things is sorted.

That's how I intend to deal with this "outrage!" lol coz there's nout
else I can do!

M

AFD Leoncoin
AFD Council member

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian mu [mailto:mu.llamas at gmail.com] 
Sent: 17 November 2005 09:45
To: cod at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [cod] DMW Anti-Cheat

I don't really go along with that philosophy, anything that bypasses PB
gives Evenbalance the incentive to make sure it doesn't in their next
update. I've seen so many cheats that people say get past PB, only to be
squealing when the next day they are banned (from the cheat forums I
watch to see whats out there). That for me is always the test of
something thats kept up to date. 

It's possible a different person/organisation could do better, but given
the amount of resources PB has now its hard to see it. I know I get
replies as a player (not server provider) from PB/Evenbalance which are
pretty prompt and accurate and have fixed my problem each time. There's
only "so much" smaller setups can deal with, and typically I find
something has to give one way or the other. Are they likely to deal with
players on an individual troubleshooting basis like Evenbalance do? Why
are they more likely to succeed? Chances are half of the cheats that are
stopped by PB will suddenly be easily adaptable and work on COD2. 

Naturally all speculation, I just don't really go along with the
scenario where one person can suddenly do better than a long term
established setup, just because they aren't as well known.

On 11/17/05, James Landi <jim at landi.net> wrote: 

If I was ACTV/IW I think I would consider a new form of AC.  

Now think about it for a second.  The hackers already know how to bypass
BP if they really wanted to.  With a new system, they would have to
learn all over again or we wish they would.  I kind of like the idea of
a new system.  Granted we will all have to learn something new but that
also means the cheaters/hackers will as well. 

What ever they decide I hope they do it quickly 

-Jim

Rudedog

FPSadmin.com

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From: Mark J. DeFilippis [mailto: defilm at acm.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:29 PM
To: cod at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [cod] DMW Anti-Cheat

Well, I bought that domain, and I will be happy with any A/C system.

If you think about it, ATCV must have wanted to do something
they felt was better than PB or it seems it would be easy to have 
done PB.  The system by Garetjax sounds promising.  There have
a few options. I would think PB would have been the easiest and
least costly.

Honestly they have always come through before.  They have earned 
the right of some time IMHO.  We don't have our first patch yet. (Can't
count 1a).
which is a real credit to the job ACTV did, and Ryan of course
on the Linux binary.

But in about a year, if you still feel this way, you can pick up the 
domain as I don't think I will be renewing it. ;-) lol..

ACTV and IFW have always been open. There has to be some
reason they don't wish to disclose at this time.  Steve, Jay, and a
few others have written open emails on this list, and there was no 
response (on the list anyway).  It is uncharacteristic, so they must
have a reason.  Perhaps to not give the hackers a jump start.
I saw cheats for COD2 the day the game came out in stores ;-))
Geez, they had be be modifying their cheats based on picking 
apart the demo...

Mark

At 01:29 PM 11/16/2005, you wrote:

If that's right I think it's time to activate the "
<http://www.activisionsucks.com/> www.activisionsucks.com"-website now.

James Landi schrieb:

This is something DMW is doing on their own.  Activision has not stated
who,
what or when A/C will be implemented in CoD2.

-Jim Landi

Rudedog

FPSadmin.com

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