[cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan

[luke at techfreak.org]

Some people will never be happy?

Dude, Im not a negative person. In fact, I am a tough, perfectionist
admin (and games are only my hobby). the fact is that I dont accept
sloppy work from myself or from anyone else. why does that put me in
the 'some people wont ever be happy' crowd?

I am actually saying that the glass is half-full, but I would like
it to be over-full and stay that way. I love the game and am asking
that IW take it to the next level by ironing out some of the sloppy
stuff. Whats the problem with that? Thats progress, amigos. The fact
is that in this industry its the small details that count as much as
the big ones. All Im saying is that more solid and professional Beta
testing would have easily avoided this issue. I dont see how you can
argue with that.

An you know what? If IW and Activision cant take a little criticism,
then they are in the wrong business. And, I dont think they see my
criticism as overly negative (only somemembers of this list seem
to). The process of development involves criticism. without it
progress is dead.

Luke


> Ok, so you know about the bug.  Is there any indication that it will
> be
> fixed anytime soon?
>
> I've not had the problem of people deserting our server.  I actually
> had
> fewer people on the
> server when we converted to 1.2 because of the time it took to show
> up
> in people's ingame browsers.
> We now have a steady stream of regulars that show up regardless.
>
> I am noticing something interesting here.  From what I can tell, IW
> takes great pride in producing
> this game.  Most of the developers are the original guys that did
> MOHAA.
> I remember the crap that
> EA games went through with their non-support of MOHAA.  Now IW and
> Activision seem to be taking the
> same amount of guff, but it's because of the changes that are being
> made.  Some people will never
> be happy.
>
> -Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Kuhn [mailto:bryan at infinityward.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:25 PM
> To: cod at icculus.org
> Subject: Re: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan
>
>
> Not much to say. We know about the bug.
>
> Friday, March 26, 2004, 12:13:03 PM, you wrote:
>
>
>> Our server is empty for the first time since it came up (same day
>> as
>> 1.2 came out). This can only be due to the recognition of the
>> linux
>> recoil problem. Though I don't want to slag off all the hard work
>> that's has gone into this patch, one has to question the validity
>> of
>> the beta testing process that was used. Surely this kind of error
>> must
>
>> be picked up before release. It's really disappointing to see a
>> great
>> patch being undermined by what amounts to poor quality assurance.
>> It's
>
>> also disappointing to see no word on it from IW on it on here.
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: admin at codboards.com [mailto:admin at codboards.com]
>> Sent: 26 March 2004 19:43
>> To: cod at icculus.org
>> Subject: Re: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan
>
>
>> That explains a lot. Thanks Bryan!
>
>>> people also keep playing the old versions so it splits people up
>>> more. Right now there are 2600 people playing 1.1 or 1.2 and 7400
>>> playing 1.3.
>>>
>>> Friday, March 26, 2004, 10:23:20 AM, you wrote:
>>>> I realize that. I love the patch and I have no problems with it
>>>> other than my server is empty, which was kind of empty before as
>>>> well but I was expecting a rush of people who wanted to test
>>>> 1.3. I
>>>> did get thousands of
>>>> hits on my site and people downloaded the patches and files
>>>> worth of
>>>> 20GB
>>>> in just the first day. I'm glad IW worked on this patch and I'm
>>>> certainly
>>>> satisfied with the outcome. But I've read hundreds of posts on
>>>> my
> site
>>>> people complaining about one thing or another. Ironically it
>>>> doesn't
>>>> work
>>>> that way and people don't realize that.
>>>
>>>> I won't waste more time, we've got big discussions going on my
>>>> forums anyways. But I'm a happy camper.
>>>
>>>> genesis
>>>> http://www.codboards.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people really know how to motivate people to do what you
>>>>> want
>>>>> them to! Every time they release a patch there is a flurry of
>>>>> "you
>>>>> guys suck" emails on this list that contribute absolutely
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> to a solution and
>>>>> waste everyone's time. But thanks for sharing your feelings.
>>>>>
>>>>> The patch has had no impact on my server's utilization versus
>>>>> 1.2,
>>>>> it's still full most of the time. Lag appears about the same.
>>>>> That's not to say it hasn't had that impact on other servers,
>>>>> but
>>>>> it's really very difficult
>>>>> to predict exactly how something is going to behave on the
> tremendous
>>>>> array of systems and server software that are out there running
>>>>> the
>>>>> game.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously, if it were really that easy to fix the in-game
>>>>> browser
>>>>> problem it would have been done already.
>>>>>
>>>>>      -d
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And the in-game browser still doesn't work.  You'd think they
>>>>>> would hire a DBA to handle this.  Or at least an entry level
>>>>>> coder.  It can't be that hard to make it work right.  The
>>>>>> quality
>>>>>> of this game is taking a plunge.  If there was something else
>>>>>> comparable, I'd switch and drop this game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Kennington
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: admin at codboards.com [mailto:admin at codboards.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:29 PM
>>>>>> To: cod at icculus.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [cod] 1.3 patch has ruined my clan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can read about it here
>>>>>> http://www.codboards.com/index.php?showtopic=2912&view=findpost&p=
>>>>>> 28763
>>>>>> it's mostly about shooting in wrong places but a lot of other
> people
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> upset, not sure for what other reasons, some installation
>>>>>> issues
> and
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can someone tell me what Problem (on 1.3) we are talking
>>>>>>> about? I
>
>>>>>>> just installed 3 Linux Servers and am pretty interested what
>>>>>>> kind
>
>>>>>>> of Bug is
>>>>>>> in the 1.3 Patch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thx.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> acc> I have to agree on the emptiness of my servers with you.
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> running
>>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>> acc> servers on 1.3 and I patched them the same day (few
>>>>>>> hours)
>>>>>>> acc> of
>>>>>> patch
>>>>>>> acc> release. I was assuming it'd get totally full but not a
>>>>>>> acc> single
>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> acc> joined in to date. The server is listed as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> acc> The rest of the thing, specially the wrong shooting bug
>>>>>>> acc> everyone
>>>>>>> keeps
>>>>>>> acc> talking about all over my website, like this one here
>>>>>>> acc>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.codboards.com/index.php?showtopic=2912&view=findpost&p=
>>>>>> 28763
>>>>>>> acc> but I never experienced this even trying to get it wrong
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> can't.
>>>>>> So
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> acc> it's working for me, it's gotta be not the patch.
>>>>>>> Correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seriously, We went from having two full COD 1.2 servers
>>>>>>>>> 24/7 to
>
>>>>>>>>> two empty, laggy, weapons shooting to the side, crappy
>>>>>>>>> servers.
>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks IW!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How do we as Linux admins recover from this patch? I have
>>>>>>>>> installed a weapons mod to (I think) correct the weapons
>>>>>>>>> issues, but I think most users see the 'LD' next to my
>>>>>>>>> servers
>>>>>>>>> and avoid like the plague. Maybe Im wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, the servers are periodically more laggy than
>>>>>>>>> before.....
>>>>>>>>> and no, Im not paranoid. I have admined over 20 different
>>>>>>>>> Linux
>
>>>>>>>>> games, dozens of mods, etc. I am telling you this patch is
>>>>>>>>> laggy. I cant find any obvious reason for it, but its
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What are we to do now?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Luke
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüssen
>>>>>>> Walrus
>>>>>>> mailto:walrus at iam3.de
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux)
>>>>>
>>>>> iD8DBQFAZHCe1ar3Q33PtakRAux+AKCwD0vf6hupOnMJgffzfGWiJUFLqgCggmhK
>>>>> fYTGTZM1WzLXu1O256VUXQQ=
>>>>> =9ujs
>>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>