[bf1942] Issues regarding "ranked servers"
kingsley at internode.com.au
Sun Jun 5 16:51:50 EDT 2005
Wasn't going to get into this, cause im running ranking servers.
but dudes this is our line to DICE, and I for 1 quite like that line.
do you really think after this bunch of bollocks on a bf server support list
Andreas is going to want to help any of us.
Take it somewhere that isn't going to hinder our server support chances from
It is turning into a HL list over here.
and no I dont make any money on the servers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Adams" <chris at fragzzhost.com>
To: <bf1942 at icculus.org>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: [bf1942] Issues regarding "ranked servers"
>> You sir, are an ass
> You clearly have a different opinion to me, and if I go and check out
> Bfstats, I will probably find out that yes, indeed, I am an ass. No need
> for public flaming. I'm just here giving my opinion in a public forum
> for discussion; I didn't realise that some people were quite so
> passionate about this. My first comment in no way was meant to provoke a
> response such as yours; I was expecting a 'pff' at most.
>> EA knows this, and your in support of it becuase you are taking money
> out of
>> players pockets for this"
> For us this is just another customer, albeit with many more concerns on
> their part about security. We've been doing server management for three
> years now for customers. With regards to EA's funding for this, it is
> concerning, but I really don't think that profits from the North
> American game servers can pay for it all, and surely they aren't going
> to bump up the game price specifically for this? I'm guessing they'll be
> marketing the ranking system heavily to draw more sales and end up
> having to cut the publics off when the sales dry up.
>> I would venture to say that at least 75% of us that host servers
> started doin ti for the
>> game, not for the money"
> I would agree with you there. I think we started up so that we could
> have clan servers, paid for by the profits from the customers' servers.
> "And arent influenced by some money-toting asshole that is going to FUCK
> the community that already pays thier bills"
> Influenced? In a discussion on a mailing list? EA have made their
> decision; that is definite. If you read my posts you will find that I
> think in some circumstances, what they are planning to do will be
> detrimental to the true BF2 community, but simultaneously, (assuming
> that web-based ranking systems can continue to function, after your
> comment about BFStats), things might actually turn out well for
> gameplay. When a customer comes to us in this manner, we as a business
> are unlikely to decline, especially when we believe that this may work
> out well. What's better also is the possibility, depending upon
> negotiations, that we would be able to offer ranked BF2 servers to
> customers. This of course would be at sensible prices rather than the
> ridiculous EA North American game rental prices, meaning that clans
> would be able to rent ranked servers. I'd rather that we said yes than
> the next host.
>> You play this game more then anyone, you buy hosting services, and
> such for your
> Me? You? One? I'm guessing one. As I say above, hopefully the web-based
> rankings will be able to operate and also my idea about the types of
> people that will go to ranked / unranked servers. If DICE/EA say yes,
> then clans will be able to go ahead and rent managed game servers and
> dedicated servers at sensible prices. I must admit though you guys are
> screwed (for want of a better word) in North America.
> I agree that EA operating all the publics there *is* bad for both the
> community and for game hosts, even smelling slightly of monopoly.
> Forcing one to buy an EA server if they want ranking is definitely not
> right, and also subjecting everyone who wants to enjoy the ranking to
> EA's previous record with regards to the management of public servers is
> not really fair.
>> ... FUCK you if you dont go with EA.
> Chris Adams
> GameSwitch Ltd.
> (0871) 218 GAME
> +44 (0)871 218 4263
> -----Original Message-----
> From: InCisT [mailto:InCisT at Popsikle.net]
> Sent: 05 June 2005 21:10
> To: bf1942 at icculus.org
> Subject: Re: [bf1942] Issues regarding "ranked servers"
> Chris Adams wrote:
>>"The only support i've seen coming from the list in
>>regards to this is from GSPs that have obviously gotten a contract, so
>>think its a great idea" - well you can hardly blame the ones of us who
>>have no interest in actually playing the game :-)
>>Seriously though I do agree that this is going to be truly awful if
>>non-ranked servers are not allowed exactly the same game that the
>>servers have, just without the ranking, and keeping all this weapon
>>limiting to ranked servers only. If you take a look back at my post
>>night though, I do think that this could turn out very well, with
>>serious gamers sticking to non-ranked servers (as really which serious
>>clan / league players care about global ranking?), and the n00bs, newbs
>>and l33t h4x0rs sticking to the ranked servers. I could however be
>>(0871) 218 GAME
>>+44 (0)871 218 4263
> You sir, are an ass. Bfstats and sites like such, are dominated by clan
> members and clans looking to get the highest rank. EA knows this, and
> your in support of it becuase you are taking money out of players
> pockets for this. I would venture to say that at least 75% of us that
> host servers started doin ti for the game, not for the money, and arent
> influenced by some money-toting asshole that is going to FUCK the
> community that already pays thier bills. You play this game more then
> anyone, you buy hosting services, and such for your team, We are gonna
> FUCK you if you dont go with EA.
> Becuase pubbies make the market go around, and you should obviosuly
> cater to the pubbies.
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