[bf1942] Issues regarding "ranked servers"

[Kingsley Foreman]

Wasn't going to get into this, cause im running ranking servers.

but dudes this is our line to DICE, and I for 1 quite like that line.
do you really think after this bunch of bollocks on a bf server support list
Andreas is going to want to help any of us.

Take it somewhere that isn't going to hinder our server support chances from 
dice.
It is turning into a HL list over here.

and no I dont make any money on the servers.

Kingsley



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Adams" <chris at fragzzhost.com>
To: <bf1942 at icculus.org>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: [bf1942] Issues regarding "ranked servers"


>
>> You sir, are an ass
>
> You clearly have a different opinion to me, and if I go and check out
> Bfstats, I will probably find out that yes, indeed, I am an ass. No need
> for public flaming. I'm just here giving my opinion in a public forum
> for discussion; I didn't realise that some people were quite so
> passionate about this. My first comment in no way was meant to provoke a
> response such as yours; I was expecting a 'pff' at most.
>
>
>> EA knows this, and your in support of it becuase you are taking money
> out of
>> players pockets for this"
>
> For us this is just another customer, albeit with many more concerns on
> their part about security. We've been doing server management for three
> years now for customers. With regards to EA's funding for this, it is
> concerning, but I really don't think that profits from the North
> American game servers can pay for it all, and surely they aren't going
> to bump up the game price specifically for this? I'm guessing they'll be
> marketing the ranking system heavily to draw more sales and end up
> having to cut the publics off when the sales dry up.
>
>
>> I would venture to say that at least 75% of us that host servers
> started doin ti for the
>> game, not for the money"
>
> I would agree with you there. I think we started up so that we could
> have clan servers, paid for by the profits from the customers' servers.
>
>
> "And arent influenced by some money-toting asshole that is going to FUCK
> the community that already pays thier bills"
>
> Influenced? In a discussion on a mailing list? EA have made their
> decision; that is definite. If you read my posts you will find that I
> think in some circumstances, what they are planning to do will be
> detrimental to the true BF2 community, but simultaneously, (assuming
> that web-based ranking systems can continue to function, after your
> comment about BFStats), things might actually turn out well for
> gameplay. When a customer comes to us in this manner, we as a business
> are unlikely to decline, especially when we believe that this may work
> out well. What's better also is the possibility, depending upon
> negotiations, that we would be able to offer ranked BF2 servers to
> customers. This of course would be at sensible prices rather than the
> ridiculous EA North American game rental prices, meaning that clans
> would be able to rent ranked servers. I'd rather that we said yes than
> the next host.
>
>
>> You play this game more then anyone, you buy hosting services, and
> such for your
>> team
>
> Me? You? One? I'm guessing one. As I say above, hopefully the web-based
> rankings will be able to operate and also my idea about the types of
> people that will go to ranked / unranked servers. If DICE/EA say yes,
> then clans will be able to go ahead and rent managed game servers and
> dedicated servers at sensible prices. I must admit though you guys are
> screwed (for want of a better word) in North America.
>
> I agree that EA operating all the publics there *is* bad for both the
> community and for game hosts, even smelling slightly of monopoly.
> Forcing one to buy an EA server if they want ranking is definitely not
> right, and also subjecting everyone who wants to enjoy the ranking to
> EA's previous record with regards to the management of public servers is
> not really fair.
>
>
>> ... FUCK you if you dont go with EA.
> ?
>
> Chill.
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Chris Adams
> GameSwitch Ltd.
> www.gameswitch.co.uk
>
> (0871) 218 GAME
> +44 (0)871 218 4263
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: InCisT [mailto:InCisT at Popsikle.net]
> Sent: 05 June 2005 21:10
> To: bf1942 at icculus.org
> Subject: Re: [bf1942] Issues regarding "ranked servers"
>
> Chris Adams wrote:
>
>>"The only support i've seen coming from the list in
>>regards to this is from GSPs that have obviously gotten a contract, so
>>they
>>think its a great idea" - well you can hardly blame the ones of us who
>>have no interest in actually playing the game :-)
>>
>>Seriously though I do agree that this is going to be truly awful if
>>non-ranked servers are not allowed exactly the same game that the
> ranked
>>servers have, just without the ranking, and keeping all this weapon
>>limiting to ranked servers only. If you take a look back at my post
> last
>>night though, I do think that this could turn out very well, with
>>serious gamers sticking to non-ranked servers (as really which serious
>>clan / league players care about global ranking?), and the n00bs, newbs
>>and l33t h4x0rs sticking to the ranked servers. I could however be
>>totally wrong.
>>
>>---------------------------------------
>>Chris Adams
>>GameSwitch Ltd.
>>www.gameswitch.co.uk
>>
>>(0871) 218 GAME
>>+44 (0)871 218 4263
>>
>
> You sir, are an ass. Bfstats and sites like such, are dominated by clan
> members and clans looking to get the highest rank. EA knows this, and
> your in support of it becuase you are taking money out of players
> pockets for this.  I would venture to say that at least 75% of us that
> host servers started doin ti for the game, not for the money, and arent
> influenced by some money-toting asshole that is going to FUCK the
> community that already pays thier bills.  You play this game more then
> anyone, you buy hosting services, and such for your team, We are gonna
> FUCK you if you dont go with EA.
>
> Becuase pubbies make the market go around, and you should obviosuly
> cater to the pubbies.
>
> InCisT
>
>
>