[bf1942] Issues regarding "ranked servers"

[Chris Adams]

> You sir, are an ass

You clearly have a different opinion to me, and if I go and check out
Bfstats, I will probably find out that yes, indeed, I am an ass. No need
for public flaming. I'm just here giving my opinion in a public forum
for discussion; I didn't realise that some people were quite so
passionate about this. My first comment in no way was meant to provoke a
response such as yours; I was expecting a 'pff' at most.


> EA knows this, and your in support of it becuase you are taking money
out of 
> players pockets for this"

For us this is just another customer, albeit with many more concerns on
their part about security. We've been doing server management for three
years now for customers. With regards to EA's funding for this, it is
concerning, but I really don't think that profits from the North
American game servers can pay for it all, and surely they aren't going
to bump up the game price specifically for this? I'm guessing they'll be
marketing the ranking system heavily to draw more sales and end up
having to cut the publics off when the sales dry up.


> I would venture to say that at least 75% of us that host servers
started doin ti for the 
> game, not for the money"

I would agree with you there. I think we started up so that we could
have clan servers, paid for by the profits from the customers' servers.


"And arent influenced by some money-toting asshole that is going to FUCK
the community that already pays thier bills"

Influenced? In a discussion on a mailing list? EA have made their
decision; that is definite. If you read my posts you will find that I
think in some circumstances, what they are planning to do will be
detrimental to the true BF2 community, but simultaneously, (assuming
that web-based ranking systems can continue to function, after your
comment about BFStats), things might actually turn out well for
gameplay. When a customer comes to us in this manner, we as a business
are unlikely to decline, especially when we believe that this may work
out well. What's better also is the possibility, depending upon
negotiations, that we would be able to offer ranked BF2 servers to
customers. This of course would be at sensible prices rather than the
ridiculous EA North American game rental prices, meaning that clans
would be able to rent ranked servers. I'd rather that we said yes than
the next host.


> You play this game more then anyone, you buy hosting services, and
such for your
> team

Me? You? One? I'm guessing one. As I say above, hopefully the web-based
rankings will be able to operate and also my idea about the types of
people that will go to ranked / unranked servers. If DICE/EA say yes,
then clans will be able to go ahead and rent managed game servers and
dedicated servers at sensible prices. I must admit though you guys are
screwed (for want of a better word) in North America.

I agree that EA operating all the publics there *is* bad for both the
community and for game hosts, even smelling slightly of monopoly.
Forcing one to buy an EA server if they want ranking is definitely not
right, and also subjecting everyone who wants to enjoy the ranking to
EA's previous record with regards to the management of public servers is
not really fair. 


> ... FUCK you if you dont go with EA.
?

Chill.

---------------------------------------
Chris Adams
GameSwitch Ltd.
www.gameswitch.co.uk

(0871) 218 GAME
+44 (0)871 218 4263

-----Original Message-----
From: InCisT [mailto:InCisT at Popsikle.net] 
Sent: 05 June 2005 21:10
To: bf1942 at icculus.org
Subject: Re: [bf1942] Issues regarding "ranked servers"

Chris Adams wrote:

>"The only support i've seen coming from the list in 
>regards to this is from GSPs that have obviously gotten a contract, so
>they 
>think its a great idea" - well you can hardly blame the ones of us who
>have no interest in actually playing the game :-)
>
>Seriously though I do agree that this is going to be truly awful if
>non-ranked servers are not allowed exactly the same game that the
ranked
>servers have, just without the ranking, and keeping all this weapon
>limiting to ranked servers only. If you take a look back at my post
last
>night though, I do think that this could turn out very well, with
>serious gamers sticking to non-ranked servers (as really which serious
>clan / league players care about global ranking?), and the n00bs, newbs
>and l33t h4x0rs sticking to the ranked servers. I could however be
>totally wrong.
>
>---------------------------------------
>Chris Adams
>GameSwitch Ltd.
>www.gameswitch.co.uk
>
>(0871) 218 GAME
>+44 (0)871 218 4263
>

You sir, are an ass. Bfstats and sites like such, are dominated by clan 
members and clans looking to get the highest rank. EA knows this, and 
your in support of it becuase you are taking money out of players 
pockets for this.  I would venture to say that at least 75% of us that 
host servers started doin ti for the game, not for the money, and arent 
influenced by some money-toting asshole that is going to FUCK the 
community that already pays thier bills.  You play this game more then 
anyone, you buy hosting services, and such for your team, We are gonna 
FUCK you if you dont go with EA.

Becuase pubbies make the market go around, and you should obviosuly 
cater to the pubbies.

InCisT